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Coaching changes: coaches hired and fired, comings and goings

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TolHiFi;1337333; said:
Greetings,

I work for a financial firm that handles a number of high profile college football coaches and just thought I would pass this along. Jim Tressel has been approached by at least one (and maybe a second) NFL team to gauge his intetest and he had no interest at all.
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not surprising in the least. tressel will end his career at tOSU. he isn't greedy and he seems to genuenly enjoy coaching at the college level and being a teacher. if he were going to jump ship for the nfl, i honestly think he would have already.

-BK at UC is moving on.
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this is the only one from the list that really jumps out at me. i don't doubt your information in the least, but i am curious why you think he will move on and which school is in the running. just my uneducated opinion, but i can't see a single available school that would be an overall upgrade over UC. certainly a few that would be better money wise. but i don't think that would prove true over time. wonder if we have a UC/kelley thread... *scurries off to find out*
 
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this is the only one from the list that really jumps out at me. i don't doubt your information in the least, but i am curious why you think he will move on and which school is in the running. just my uneducated opinion, but i can't see a single available school that would be an overall upgrade over UC. certainly a few that would be better money wise. but i don't think that would prove true over time. wonder if we have a UC/kelley thread... *scurries off to find out*
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Clemson seems like an upgrade, especially with their recruiting budget. However, this hinges on whether FSU & Miami stay down, which seems unlikely for an extended period of time. If they continue to wallow in mediocrity, then I think the Clemson job is a good position for him.

I would agree Tennessee would be a risky proposition, much like I felt for their rumors about Dantonio.
 
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jwinslow;1338252; said:
Clemson seems like an upgrade, especially with their recruiting budget. However, this hinges on whether FSU & Miami stay down, which seems unlikely for an extended period of time. If they continue to wallow in mediocrity, then I think the Clemson job is a good position for him.

I would agree Tennessee would be a risky proposition, much like I felt for their rumors about Dantonio.
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yeah, clemson and tennessee were really the only 2 i saw that had anything to offer that was better than UC, and that being money only. both teams are an utter mess and the expectations are well beyond unrealistically high. sure you would make more per year... but over the course of your career? depends largely on how long you can keep a hold on that job.

as far as clemson being able to out recruit UC. im sure thats true, but you only have to out recruit the teams in your conference. which is something UC shouldn't have too much difficulty doing. can't speak for anyone else, but id much rather try to out recruit wvu and pitt rather than fsu and miami.
 
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I live in Cincy and have heard BK get all over the UC fanbase for not "putting out". He seems to have a huge ego - it wouldn't surprise me if he took the Tennessee job. It's a definate step up in both conference and fanbase. I also think he's a hell of a coach and would be successful at either UT or Clemson - I'm glad he did not end up at TSUN.
 
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I live in Cincy and have heard BK get all over the UC fanbase for not "putting out". He seems to have a huge ego - it wouldn't surprise me if he took the Tennessee job. It's a definate step up in both conference and fanbase.
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Tenn would be a step up in conference and fan base. If he wanted to go to a BCS game more times than not, I think it would be easier at UC. If he could take UC up another level, there is no reason he could not win the Big East on a regular basis. There could be some years he has a light non-conference and the Big East being soft in general, he could run the table.

I think he can do a good job recruiting in Ohio. He has Kerry Coombs on his staff who is an ex Colerain football coach. There is a lot of talent in Cincinnati if he could keep Tressel out.

In the long term I think UC would be a better fit for Kelly. If he keeps the program where they are now, he could have a job for life. If he went to Tenn he would have to compete with the rest of the SEC and be looking for a job in five years.
 
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BK is on the short list for two programs. Do not forget that the ND job could be open as the money issue may not be insurmountable. People are willing to pitch in and the final buyout may be less than reported (ND legal is looking into this).
 
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Every job that I've heard a BK rumor about has been a much much better job than staying in Cincinnati. Their fan base are Bengals, and Buckeyes fans, their stadium is not very good, and it doesn't sound like BK is all that impressed with their fanbase.

Tennessee, Clemson, ND, whatever, I'm just glad he's not at TSUN.
 
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IronBuckI;1338992; said:
Every job that I've heard a BK rumor about has been a much much better job than staying in Cincinnati. Their fan base are Bengals, and Buckeyes fans, their stadium is not very good, and it doesn't sound like BK is all that impressed with their fanbase.

Tennessee, Clemson, ND, whatever, I'm just glad he's not at TSUN.
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well of course UC has a small fan base. they've only been playing football for 5 years! :p yes, the stadium sucks balls. yes the fan base is rather tiny. but UC is a school that is used to being fanatical about a sport. now that they really don't have basketball anymore... im thinkin football could fit the bill rather nicely.

the reality is this. UC "should" win the big east this year. whats more, i would be surprised if they didn't with the big east 3 of the next 5 yrs. i personally expect UC to dominate that conference. if that happens, kelley will have achieved something every coach in D1 football wants but less than a handful have done. achieved real job security. bcs bowls and conference championships = bigger stadiums, more fans, and big time salaries.

i now return you to your regularly scheduled debate: jim tressel, best coach ever or best coach in recorded history?
 
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Good stuff....

If you clicked on the Mailbag this week expecting an outpouring of politicking and discussion about the Texas-Texas Tech-Oklahoma tiebreaker controversy I'm afraid you're out of luck. I've already written about it here ... and here ... and here ... and here. I've got nothing left in the tank, people. Talk amongst yourselves.
Instead, I'd like to discuss a different topic that will soon begin consuming the sport: coaching searches.
We're currently up to 10 vacancies in Division I-A with more presumably to come (perhaps in South Bend?). Over the next few weeks, you will be inundated with a flood of stories from relentless beat writers all trying to get the scoop on the latest developments involving their school's coaching search. They have no choice. Their editors will kill them if they get beat on the story.
There's only one problem with that, however: Ninety percent of the information in those stories is complete b.s.
Whenever you read a coaching-search story that attributes "sources with knowledge of the search process," those sources, with few exceptions, are either: A) agents, B) boosters or C) low-level athletic department employees. The agents have agendas, while the other two get a kick out of supposedly carrying "inside" information.
The reality is, the only people that actually know what's going on are the ones conducting the search and the candidates themselves -- and neither are wont to speak candidly to the press until the final decision has been made.

So I figured I'd provide some helpful tips for you, the readers, in order to translate some of the stories that will soon be coming your way.

* Immediately after a coach is fired, a story will invariably be written that contains a sentence like: "Possible candidates include Brian Kelly, Jon Gruden, Terry Bowden, Lane Kiffin, Glen Mason and the Pope." Nine times out of 10, this list is entirely speculative. It's not like the athletic director called the writer and said: "We're firing our coach, and here are the first six guys we're going to call." Meanwhile, the candidates themselves aren't going to call up to espouse their availability. (Except for Terry Bowden, who will take pretty much any job offered to him at this point.:biggrin:)
* When "sources close to the search" say that "school officials appear to be leaning toward Candidate A" ... they probably read that on a message board.
* When a coach says he hasn't been contacted by School A, he's probably telling the truth -- but that doesn't mean the school or one of its intermediaries hasn't contacted his agent.
* When a coach says, "I'm happy where I am," he's probably telling the truth -- but that doesn't mean he wouldn't go someplace he might be even happier. When a coach says, "I'm only focused on the job at hand," that's code for "Get back to me after the season." When a coach says, "I WILL NOT BE THE COACH AT ALABAMA" ... as we've learned, don't believe it until they hold the press conference.
* When a coach "withdraws his name from consideration," and then the school hires somebody else 24 hours later, that means the coach interviewed but got turned down.
* When a coach "withdraws his name from consideration," and then the school takes three weeks to hire somebody else, it means the coach was never actually a candidate to begin with, but his agent floated his name out there as leverage. (Jimmy Sexton has done this for Houston Nutt about eight times.)
* When a story contains something as specific as "the school is prepared to offer Candidate B a five-year contract worth $22 million," that's probably coming from someone credible. However, that doesn't necessarily mean the candidate has agreed to accept it.

Entire article: College Football Mailbag provides a guide to coaching searches - Stewart Mandel - SI.com
 
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IronBuckI;1338992; said:
Every job that I've heard a BK rumor about has been a much much better job than staying in Cincinnati. Their fan base are Bengals, and Buckeyes fans, their stadium is not very good, and it doesn't sound like BK is all that impressed with their fanbase.

Tennessee, Clemson, ND, whatever, I'm just glad he's not at TSUN.
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BK has done an outstanding job building support for a program that has been overshadowed by the basketball team for years. He's definitely put in a hell of a lot of hours for promotion, as well as coaching and recruiting. I think he will be successful most anywhere he goes, but I'm not sure if the current openings would be right for him. He does have a good recruiting base right at home, and Cinci players aren't big for traveling too far. I definitely agree with your assessment of the stadium. It's size will prevent the program from growing much further. The options are building a new one at UC, or playing more games at PBS. Even though UC has been expanding quite a bit in recent years, I don't think they have the administrative support, or a good enough space to get a new stadium in the near future. Unless they get a facility that can hold 50-70k, I don't think BK can justify staying there long. It will be UC's mistake if they let him go, rather than give the football program what it needs to grow.
 
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