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Cleveland Indians (official 2012 season)

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NFBuck;2223160; said:
There's something going on, because I can't imagine anybody with any other options looking at this job, team, farm system, front office, and ownership and saying "yeah, that looks like a good job"...unless they love a good challenge, or need the paycheck. He did play here one year (1988), maybe he likes the city...
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Also, in 2001 he worked in the Tribe front office as a Special Assistant to the General Manager; whatever that position might involve beats me?
 
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How it all went wrong in Cleveland

The house of cards that was the Cleveland Indians tumbled atop Acta yesterday when he was fired because of "results" -- to be specific, that epic 5-28 stretch during the second half. What was more stunning than the collapse was that the Indians had played winning baseball until then through 99 games -- 50-49. Truth be told, Cleveland found its level. It has the talent of a 90-plus loss team.

The Indians lost nearly all the bets they placed on supplementing what little talent they did have on hand. Derek Lowe was cut. Grady Sizemore and Travis Hafner couldn't stay on the field. Casey Kotchman couldn't hit. And the biggest bust of all was the colossal mistake of Ubaldo Jimenez. The Indians raided their prospect cupboard midway through last season to get Jimenez from Colorado. When the Rockies did cartwheels about shedding a 27-year-old starter under a fair contract, it should have set off alarms in Cleveland.

Jimenez is a mirage built off a 14-start window to open the 2010 season, in which he went 13-1 and enjoyed fantastic run support and a .245 batting average on balls in play. When the Indians traded for him last year, however, he was 12-16 with a 4.40 ERA in his previous 40 starts. Forty starts! That sample -- bigger and more recent -- should have meant more than the 14-start rainbow of good luck in 2010.

The Indians thought they could "fix" his awful mechanics. Here is how it has worked out in 43 starts with Cleveland: he's actually worse -- 13-21 with a 5.43 ERA. Over his past 79 starts Jimenez is 25-37 with a 4.91 ERA, devolving into Chris Volstad or Luke Hochevar or whatever starter you want to pick who somehow keeps getting the baseball despite lousy results.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...land-indians-yankees/index.html#ixzz27sCbMnlG
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And, yet, the baboons that orchestrated that mangled rhino cock of a deal are still in charge of rebuilding a franchise currently circling the drain. It's circling the fucking drain because of their idiotic decisions. In what job market does abject failure allow you to continue running your company/team into the ground? We're proper [censored]ed.
 
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My cuz's bf at the Jake last week. yes attendance is spelled wrong i know. made it on tv somehow i think. i doubt anyone was watching.
 
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IF Francona takes this job then it's because he's looking for a golden parachute into permanent broadcasting a la Mike Holmgren and his crew.

No up and coming manager could want this job as it's a no win situation. No farm and owners and front office personnel who care nothing about winning games.
 
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Looking on the bright side, they can decline the options on Hafner and Jininez for 2013. Combined with Grady getting booted, and no more Kochman and Damon, they're saving over 23 million bucks.

Of course, that only matters if you spend that money on some worthwhile players or spend the money period.
 
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Zippercat;2226290; said:
And, with a come from behind 2 run HR by Pronk to tie in the 9th and a game winning single by Donald in the 12th, after a Twinkies loss to the Blue Jays, the Tribe clinched next to last place in the AL Central!
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Now that screws up our draft status:shake: Can't they lose when they are supposed to.
 
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Bucklion said:
http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2012/10/chris_perez_says_a_lot_of_his.html#incart_river

And C.M. Perez triples down with another pipe bomb, this time against Acta...then promptly gives up a titanic homer in the 9th. I wouldn't have any problem with the guy if he wanted to be here and was just frustrated with losing, but given who some of his targets have been and the way he has acted all season, I hope they get rid of him pronto.
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While I agree with most of what Perez says in this article regarding Acta and the fact that the Indians need better players, I think he is showing himself the way to another town even if he says he does not want to be traded.
 
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http://blog.cleveland.com/did-the-tribe-win-last-night/2012/10/where_do_the_indians_go_from_h.html



After the most disappointing year of Sizemore's career ? and possibly the worst decision Antonetti made in assembling the 2012 roster ? could the franchise bring him back yet again for 2013?


"There's definitely a possibility," Shapiro said on Monday in regards to Hafner and Sizemore. "We wouldn't close the door on either one of those guys. When both are healthy, they've been contributing guys to this team over the years."


Shapiro hits 11 on the retard dial, as ORD would say. I think the guy is just too fucking bullheaded to admit how much money he's pissed away on guys that play 60 games...or zero...and they get nothing out of. But oh, by all means, let's sign a bunch of guys who were good several years ago. "I wish we had him 2 years ago. We did. 4 years ago then." It worked in the movie, right?
 
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Bucklion;2226967; said:
http://blog.cleveland.com/did-the-tribe-win-last-night/2012/10/where_do_the_indians_go_from_h.html



After the most disappointing year of Sizemore's career ? and possibly the worst decision Antonetti made in assembling the 2012 roster ? could the franchise bring him back yet again for 2013?


"There's definitely a possibility," Shapiro said on Monday in regards to Hafner and Sizemore. "We wouldn't close the door on either one of those guys. When both are healthy, they've been contributing guys to this team over the years."


Shapiro hits 11 on the retard dial, as ORD would say. I think the guy is just too [censored]ing bullheaded to admit how much money he's [censored]ed away on guys that play 60 games...or zero...and they get nothing out of. But oh, by all means, let's sign a bunch of guys who were good several years ago. "I wish we had him 2 years ago. We did. 4 years ago then." It worked in the movie, right?
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I hope this is just lip service to two long-tenured Indians, but nothing these clowns do would surprise me. This franchise is [censored]ed until Dumb & Dumber are gone.

The bolded portion is particularly hilarious since Pronk hasn't been productive for longer than a two week stretch since 2007, and Grady has been essentially worthless since 2008.
 
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A look at the Indians' off-season to list

The writer of this article first starts out with Hire a Manager and says that Bowden favors Francona because it would give the organization some credibility and then writes the following.
-- Re-think some organizational philosophies: Indians ownership and the front office have to decide whether or not they truly want to compete. Because what they did in 2012 wasn't competing. It was caretaking.

With no immediate help flowing out of the minor league pipeline, and with no inclination to spend even modestly for free agents who can make the team better, rather than just take up space, the Indians ? even with Francona in the dugout ? are doomed to at least a couple more years of repeating the ugliness of 2012.

Yes, they were in first place as late as June 23. But until major-league baseball decides to shorten the season to 70 games, Indians officials need to assemble a team that is built to win for six months, not 10 weeks.

-- Fix the starting rotation: The playoff-bound Oakland A's No. 4 and 5 starters are a combined 13-5 with a 3.36 ERA. The oblivion-bound Indians' No. 1 and 2 starters are a combined 20-32, with a 5.15 ERA. When playoff teams have fourth and fifth starters out-performing your Nos. 1 and 2, you aren't games out first place, you are time zone zones out first place.

Justin Masterson was 11-15 this year and is 30-45 in four years with the Indians. Ubaldo Jimenez was 9-17 this year and is 13-21 in his year and a half in Cleveland. Even more ominously, regarding the teachers and the pupil: when the Indians' pitching doctors tried to fix Jimenez, starting at midseason, he went 1-10 with a 6.63 ERA in 14 starts after the All-Star break.

It doesn't matter who your third, fourth and fifth starters are. When your No.1 and 2 are this bad, you have no chance. None.

-- Acquire a left fielder: No, seriously. A real one.

-- Aggressively pursue trades: Nobody's off limits. Take the best offer for Shin-Soo Choo. Shop Masterson, Chris Perez, maybe even Asdrubal Cabrera. Unless, of course, the unlikely decision is made to spend some money on free agents.

-- Turn the page: Do not pick up the club options on Travis Hafner or Roberto Hernandez. Do not re-sign Grady Sizemore.
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http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2012/10/04/sports/nh6063879.txt?viewmode=fullstory
 
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