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Cleveland Indians 2015 Thread of Barely Restrained Contempt (BALLS)

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I actually like the Floyd and Moss deals...but they are close enough to the scrap heap that they have a chance of success here. I'd rather have them do that than see Bro-strikeout V2.0 come in with 50 mil.
 
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I have no hopes that they can trade Bourn or Swisher, but hopefully we can push Murphy out.

In 2 years when those deals end, we should be using that money to get out young guys locked up long term. Kluber will be close to FA at that point and hopefully Carrasco/Bauer/Salazar will have been pitching well.
 
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bigdog3300 said:
I have no hopes that they can trade Bourn or Swisher, but hopefully we can push Murphy out.

In 2 years when those deals end, we should be using that money to get out young guys locked up long term. Kluber will be close to FA at that point and hopefully Carrasco/Bauer/Salazar will have been pitching well.
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Sure, they will do just that......



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Bucklion said:
I actually like the Floyd and Moss deals...but they are close enough to the scrap heap that they have a chance of success here. I'd rather have them do that than see Bro-strikeout V2.0 come in with 50 mil.
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Here's the thing with these sort of deals. If these guys don't work out, it's not a big deal, like swisher's albatross contract. If they work out, and the team is winning, good. If they work out, and the team is losing, they get dealt at the trade deadline.
 
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Zippercat said:
Sure, they will do just that......



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What do you have to say they won't?

From what I've seen....

A) They've gone after some high priced FA's. Yes, for now those deals look like giant busts, but they still ponied up the cash to make it happen. and...
B) They've shown to be very aggressive in locking up their young talent at an early stage, i.e. the Brantley, Gomes, Kipnis, etc. deals.

I think it's pretty obvious that will continue and they'll use that money once it clears to continue the young guys already under team control, mostly the starters.
 
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bigdog3300 said:
What do you have to say they won't?

From what I've seen....

A) They've gone after some high priced FA's. Yes, for now those deals look like giant busts, but they still ponied up the cash to make it happen. and...
B) They've shown to be very aggressive in locking up their young talent at an early stage, i.e. the Brantley, Gomes, Kipnis, etc. deals.

I think it's pretty obvious that will continue and they'll use that money once it clears to continue the young guys already under team control, mostly the starters.
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When's the last time the Indians signed any "high priced FA's?" Swisher and Bourn were mid level, at best, FAs...guys on the downhill side of their careers.

Like many teams, they have signed some guaranteed deals for players who are not yet able to be free agents. That's a smart, money saving move in the long term (which the Indians invented in the mid-90s) and not evidence of any commitment to spend the additional money needed to take the team to a higher level.
 
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Zippercat said:
When's the last time the Indians signed any "high priced FA's?" Swisher and Bourn were mid level, at best, FAs...guys on the downhill side of their careers.

Like many teams, they have signed some guaranteed deals for players who are not yet able to be free agents. That's a smart, money saving move in the long term (which the Indians invented in the mid-90s) and not evidence of any commitment to spend the additional money needed to take the team to a higher level.
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Mid-level I think is a stretch but I agree high priced is equally....let's call them "upper middle class" deals. And Bourn I wouldn't say was on the downhill side of his career since he was an All Star the year before, but a 4 year deal for a 'speedster' entering his year 30 season isn't wise; but the question was not whether or not it was wise but whether the Tribe ponied up.

I think with the youth of this team, the evidence of the commitment will be locking up that young talent and not using that money outside of the organization.
 
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Tribe moves Jason Bere from the front office to become the 2015 bullpen coach. Apparently Bere has NEVER coached baseball at any level-not even parent pitch-but coaching experience is not necessary for the Tribe. He's also never been a relief pitcher....but he did warm up in bullpens as a starting pitcher and, apparently, has stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.
 
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bigdog3300 said:
Mid-level I think is a stretch but I agree high priced is equally....let's call them "upper middle class" deals. And Bourn I wouldn't say was on the downhill side of his career since he was an All Star the year before, but a 4 year deal for a 'speedster' entering his year 30 season isn't wise; but the question was not whether or not it was wise but whether the Tribe ponied up.

I think with the youth of this team, the evidence of the commitment will be locking up that young talent and not using that money outside of the organization.
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"I thought you said we didn't have any high-priced talent? Oh, I forgot about Swisher, because he's only high-priced"
 
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Tribe fans should find this story interesting/amusing:

Franchise bests/worsts: Cleveland Indians

Over the course of the next month, we'll venture through the history of each of the 30 Major League Baseball franchises, discussing some of the best and worst moments, players, teams, etc. It's more a fun snapshot for discussion purposes than a be-all, end-all declaration. We continue today with the Cleveland Indians.

The Indians, owners of two championships and five pennants, trace their origins back to 1901, when the fledgling American League swooped into the Cleveland market after the demise of the NL's Spiders. Now let's enjoy a walking tour of Indians history ...

Best team: 1948

On the basis of raw dominance, we should probably go with the 1954 squad (111-43) or the 1995 team (100-44). However, those colossi failed to win the World Series. So the honor falls to the 1948 team, which did win the World Series.

Paced by player-manager and AL MVP Lou Boudreau, second baseman Joe Gordon, third baseman Ken Keltner, rookie center fielder Larry Doby and a powerhouse rotation fronted by Bob Lemon, Bob Feller and Gene Bearden, the Indians barged to a 97-58 record and prevailed over the Red Sox in a one-game playoff to determine the pennant. The Yankees also won 94 games that year, so the Indians had some tough competition in the AL. As well, the '48 Indians, based on runs scored and runs allowed, should have finished 104-51. So in that sense they were even better than their already sparkling record.

In the World Series, the Indians prevailed over the Boston Braves in six games. Enthusiasm? A then-record 86,288 fans showed up at Cleveland Stadium for Game 5.

Side note: Signed in July of that year, the ageless Satchel Paige turned out to be a valuable swingman for the Tribe in '48.
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Entire article: http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24968069/franchise-bestsworsts-cleveland-indians

FWIW, I had never heard of Nap Lajoie before.
 
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