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Cleveland Cavs (2016 NBA Champions)

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Bucklion said:
Four protected ones, only good for the last third of the round :slappy:
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Let's look on the bright side, if you look from 2 draft ago (given time to develop)

The most productive 2nd rounder in the 2016 draft has been Malcolm Brogdon. Who averages a robust 12/3/3 stat line in his career.

Imagine a team full of of Malcolm Brogdons! :drunks:
 
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So Shumpert and cash goes to Montana.. who sends Roby to Boise along with a 4th rounder.. who then sends their 2nd, 3rd and 4th picks plus Mercado to Houston who sends Brandon Knight, Marquese Chriss and a protected first to Cavs who sends Tyron Lue and Alec Burks to San Diego to join the Pistons.. got it
 
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Dan Gilbert is far too meddlesome but God bless that man’s willingness to spend. The Cavs will now have an additional first rounder in the 18 to 24 range and all it required was taking on $17 million in contracts for this season. Knight is in the last year of his deal next season so the Cavs can do this all over again in February of 2020. When your team sucks, it’s all about asset accumulation.
 
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Hooley is a moron. Just had to post that somewhere. Keeps pushing the narrative that if Cavs have the first pick that they shouldn't take Zion. Isn't convinced that he's a perennial all star. Other dude he had on today was somewhat agreeing saying he is concerned about his shooting. Listen, I get that the NBA has become enamored with the 3pt shot. but if you have a guy like him that can operate in the post the way he does, you can increase the shooting percentages of everyone else on the team. Heck, even if he doesn't improve his shot at all, his worst case scenario seems to be Charles Barkley (only shot over 30% from 3 twice in his career). Oh, except that he's 3 inches taller, jumps better and is quicker laterally.

Now, I would be fine if the CAvs wanted to trade away the first pick because they need to rebuild their team and even with Zion, they aren't going to be good for a while. IF they could get an established all star caliber leader and a couple of first round picks out of the deal, I'd probably take it.
 
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wigmon said:
Hooley is a moron. Just had to post that somewhere. Keeps pushing the narrative that if Cavs have the first pick that they shouldn't take Zion. Isn't convinced that he's a perennial all star. Other dude he had on today was somewhat agreeing saying he is concerned about his shooting. Listen, I get that the NBA has become enamored with the 3pt shot. but if you have a guy like him that can operate in the post the way he does, you can increase the shooting percentages of everyone else on the team. Heck, even if he doesn't improve his shot at all, his worst case scenario seems to be Charles Barkley (only shot over 30% from 3 twice in his career). Oh, except that he's 3 inches taller, jumps better and is quicker laterally.

Now, I would be fine if the CAvs wanted to trade away the first pick because they need to rebuild their team and even with Zion, they aren't going to be good for a while. IF they could get an established all star caliber leader and a couple of first round picks out of the deal, I'd probably take it.
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If they get the #1 pick and take someone besides Zion this franchise can kiss my ass. I'd settle for RJ Barrett at #2. Hopefully it's one of those scenarios.

I don't think trading for a all star caliber player and some later 1st rounders is the way to go. Multi year tank job and a few years of high draft picks, hope the young players you bring in will attract some decent FAs.

That being said, if they end up outside of the top 3 in the lottery this year, then i'd definitely consider trading down for more 1st round picks. Not really a big believer in anyone in this years draft outside of Zion and Barrett (maybe Ja Morant)
 
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I think there is a clear drop off after the top 3 which is why those 3 picks could offer good value in a trade. I think there are some guys with great upside that can be gotten late in the lottery or later in the first round (Little, Bol Bol). The deal would hinge on the quality/age of the all star. You don't make a trade for a guy at the end of his career, you are trading for a guy who you think is just reaching his peak so that at the least, if he's not happy here, you have someone that can bring value in trade. Now, you might me limiting your trade options or might have to involve a third party to get what you want, but the Cavs aren't going to be a real contender for at least 3-4 years by doing it through the draft and thats if all their draft picks pan out. I don't see Zion being a guy that wants to make a career of it in Cleveland, so unless we've got that title contender in place by then, he's going to be looking to the free agent market. ITs really difficult for smaller market teams to build through the draft because not many of those guys want to stick in those small markets.
 
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wigmon said:
I think there is a clear drop off after the top 3 which is why those 3 picks could offer good value in a trade. I think there are some guys with great upside that can be gotten late in the lottery or later in the first round (Little, Bol Bol). The deal would hinge on the quality/age of the all star. You don't make a trade for a guy at the end of his career, you are trading for a guy who you think is just reaching his peak so that at the least, if he's not happy here, you have someone that can bring value in trade. Now, you might me limiting your trade options or might have to involve a third party to get what you want, but the Cavs aren't going to be a real contender for at least 3-4 years by doing it through the draft and thats if all their draft picks pan out. I don't see Zion being a guy that wants to make a career of it in Cleveland, so unless we've got that title contender in place by then, he's going to be looking to the free agent market. ITs really difficult for smaller market teams to build through the draft because not many of those guys want to stick in those small markets.
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Houston's 1st rounder this year will be good for that.

Finding a willing trade partner who's willing to give up good assets as such is indeed the problem when it comes to that.

It's going to be difficult for the Cavs to build period. They have to land guys in the draft (or via trade) who want to stay and are appealing enough (or win enough) to attract free agents. Which is really a matter of luck in the end.
 
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I personally don’t think you ever trade the 1-3 picks when people actually want them (ergo, not the Anthony Bennett year). This league is now entirely about superstars...solid and role players are traded like horses because of expiring contracts and max deal space...for stars. I don’t care what anyone offers. There is one way, and one way only, that the Cavs will be “good” again...they have to hit on 2 straight lottery picks. Yes, lottery picks are a huge risk, but...no FA Star is ever coming to Cleveland ever. So in this franchise’s case, the ONLY way they will ever get good is to draft another Kyrie-ish level player and then hit the next year on another one. If it were NY, that’s different...but this ain’t NY.
 
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