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Cleveland Cavs (2016 NBA Champions)

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Well, to beat down my pessimism for a moment, hopefully Scott can work his magic on Irving and he can become a true stud PG, and Thompson can surprise and develop into an Al Horford type PF...I gotta think that's what they see in him. Trading Harper is odd, especially when he could at least shoot. Really curious what they do with Hickson now...
 
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Merih;1944206; said:
Did anyone here watch Tristan Thompson play in College? In my imo he has a higher upside than Williams...another year in school and people would've been talking Top 3 with him easily.
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Exactly, this pick was a no brainer if you can't find a good value trade to move down.
 
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I'm a little perplexed at what management is thinking with this draft. So I'm going to type out loud to see if I can make sense of it.

Before I get to the picks, the only two reasons I think no trades were made with players/TE/#4 pick is

1) Potential deals fell through, for example the Jazz choosing Kanter caused the possible Bullets deal (#4 for 6 and 18); and

2) Cleveland is holding off on current player trades UNTIL

a) CBA is approved,
b) the right deal comes along,
c) trade deadline comes and certain players are dealt (Jamison, Davis,
Gibson, Sessions and draft picks). I have no clue what they are
going to do with the Trade Exception. I have a bad feeling they
might lose it.
d) any combination of the above depending on the player(s), deal,
situation.

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1) Irving WAS the pick all along. IMO, the pick is an A. No complaints.

2) Thompson - Color me confused with this pick. Hell I have seen Thompson and Harper both play and I liked Harper better. IMO, Harper has a better all-around game and the Cavs needed more scoring and Harper would provide that at the wing. I hope Thompson proves me wrong BUT I don't know. I would have prefered Jan Vesely or Klay Thompson drafted here if they were going to reach.

3) Harper - Traded for 2 future 2nd round picks ('13 and '14) from the Magic. Here is to hoping the Magic tank....BIG TIME!

4) Macvan - Hope the dude can contribute BUT.....who knows.

Here is to hoping the Cavs are looking forward to the 2012 draft with their moves but I have to say I'm disappointed with this draft. I give the CAVS a C.
 
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ArmyVet83;1944472; said:
I'm a little perplexed at what management is thinking with this draft. So I'm going to type out loud to see if I can make sense of it.

Before I get to the picks, the only two reasons I think no trades were made with players/TE/#4 pick is

1) Potential deals fell through, for example the Jazz choosing Kanter caused the possible Bullets deal (#4 for 6 and 18); and

2) Cleveland is holding off on current player trades UNTIL

a) CBA is approved,
b) the right deal comes along,
c) trade deadline comes and certain players are dealt (Jamison, Davis,
Gibson, Sessions and draft picks). I have no clue what they are
going to do with the Trade Exception. I have a bad feeling they
might lose it.
d) any combination of the above depending on the player(s), deal,
situation.

The DRAFT
1) Irving WAS the pick all along. IMO, the pick is an A. No complaints.

2) Thompson - Color me confused with this pick. Hell I have seen Thompson and Harper both play and I liked Harper better. IMO, Harper has a better all-around game and the Cavs needed more scoring and Harper would provide that at the wing. I hope Thompson proves me wrong BUT I don't know. I would have prefered Jan Vesely or Klay Thompson drafted here if they were going to reach.

3) Harper - Traded for 2 future 2nd round picks ('13 and '14) from the Magic. Here is to hoping the Magic tank....BIG TIME!

4) Macvan - Hope the dude can contribute BUT.....who knows.

Here is to hoping the Cavs are looking forward to the 2012 draft with their moves but I have to say I'm disappointed with this draft. I give the CAVS a C.
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Good analysis, IMO. I was really hoping we'd move at least some of the TPE for a pick, but it never happened. There's a very good chance we lose it now....only about a week left unless the NBA approves an extension for a week whenever the CBA is signed off on.
 
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i liked the draft....cavs got their man with irving...PG for the future...hopefully not a bust, but i dont think he will be....if he can turn into a souped up Mike Conley i will be happy with this pick...thompson was somewhat surprising at first, i knew the cavs liked him and brought him in again last minute to work out, but with reports we would take Jonas at #4 i was somewhat surprised we went with another forward...if there is a lockout it would of been worth it to wait i guess...and like i said i wasnt mad i was a little surprised...at #4 you either take thompson, Jonas or trade the pick...anything else you take other then those 3 choices at that spot is over paying...and if you think thompson was a reach then go ahead and read all the reports of teams like the spurs and pistons wanting him, along with how he was ranked on most scouts overall player rater...some had him as the #2 player in the draft....terry pluto had a decent article i suggest you read

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2011/06/nba_draft_2011_enes_kanter_the.html

2. Jamison is 35 and in the last year of his contract. He could be traded at some point this season. Hickson is in the last year of his contract. The Cavs must be thinking of moving him, perhaps setting up a big deal.
4. The Cavs are packed with point guards: Baron Davis, Daniel Gibson, Ramon Sessions and Kyrie Irving. All of this screams more moves on the way.
5. In terms of trade value, Sessions and Hickson would have the most because of their ages and talent. Sessions is 25, Hickson is 23. Sessions has two years left on his deal -- $4.3 million and $4.5 million. Gibson has one year guaranteed ($4.5 million) and a team option at $4.8 million. He's only 25, but has battled injuries the last few seasons.
6. Why did the Cavs take Thompson? They didn't want to wait as long as two years for Jonas Valanciunas to get free of his European contract. These situations can be very messy. That must have been the case here, because the Cavs really like the 7-foot Valanciunas.
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The only move I really wanted to see happen would have been to flip the #4 pick and/or the TPE in hopes of picking up another lottery pick next year when the draft is going to be deeper.

Seems we now have a surplus of young talent at PF; and a full house at PG. We have absolutely no talent at SG, SF and C (unless you county Andy as a Center). We'll be picking high again next year... and maybe that's the plan.
 
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For goodwill purposes, I still think the Cavs should try and sign Lighty once the CBA issue gets settled. He may not be a long-term solution at SF or even a solid bench role player in the future, but people like him. I like him. And it will help to put butts in the seat for the time being while we continue building.

Hatred for Lebron and nostalgia will only sell tickets for so long. They need to satisfy the fanbase with a bone or two that won't hamper the franchise for the future.
 
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byron scott on mike and mike talking about why they took thompson....said thompson was best available player, is versatile so he can possibly play 2 positions...and he likes the flexibility to possibly have hickson play the 5 if thompson and him are on the floor at the same time....guess we will have to wait and see...we may not even have a season next year....and i love the trade with orlando for 2 more draft picks...next years draft should be loaded so an extra 2nd pick will be awesome...so in 2012 we will have our 1st round pick (likely lottery), Miami's 1st round pick, our 2nd round pick, orlando's 2nd round pick and New Orleans 2nd round pick via Miami....thats 5 picks in total along with alot of trade bait on our roster currently...i have to say i like the way chris grant is going about rebuilding this team
 
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y0yoyoin;1944501; said:
byron scott on mike and mike talking about why they took thompson....said thompson was best available player, is versatile so he can possibly play 2 positions...and he likes the flexibility to possibly have hickson play the 5 if thompson and him are on the floor at the same time....guess we will have to wait and see...we may not even have a season next year....and i love the trade with orlando for 2 more draft picks...next years draft should be loaded so an extra 2nd pick will be awesome...so in 2012 we will have our 1st round pick (likely lottery), Miami's 1st round pick, our 2nd round pick, orlando's 2nd round pick and New Orleans 2nd round pick via Miami....thats 5 picks in total along with alot of trade bait on our roster currently...i have to say i like the way chris grant is going about rebuilding this team
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the part about the picks is totally wrong.

1. cleveland only has the option to sway 2012 picks with miami, they don't get the pick outright until 2013.
2. cleveland used a 2012 2nd rounder in the semi erden/harangody trade.
3. the orlando 2nd round picks are for 2013 and 2014.
 
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y0yoyoin;1944501; said:
byron scott on mike and mike talking about why they took thompson....said thompson was best available player, is versatile so he can possibly play 2 positions...and he likes the flexibility to possibly have hickson play the 5 if thompson and him are on the floor at the same time....guess we will have to wait and see...we may not even have a season next year....and i love the trade with orlando for 2 more draft picks...next years draft should be loaded so an extra 2nd pick will be awesome...so in 2012 we will have our 1st round pick (likely lottery), Miami's 1st round pick, our 2nd round pick, orlando's 2nd round pick and New Orleans 2nd round pick via Miami....thats 5 picks in total along with alot of trade bait on our roster currently...i have to say i like the way chris grant is going about rebuilding this team
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Did some checking on future drafts and as it stands the Cavs have this coming down the road. Got this from RealGM

2012 first round draft pick from Miami
Cleveland has the right to swap their own 2012 1st round pick with Miami's own 1st round pick. [Cleveland - Miami, 7/9/2010]
2012 second round draft pick from New Orleans
New Orleans' own 2012 2nd round pick to Cleveland via Miami. [Miami - New Orleans, 6/25/2009 and then Cleveland - Miami, 7/9/2010]
2013 first round draft pick from Miami
Miami's own 2013 1st round draft pick to Cleveland (top-10 protected in the 2013 Draft, top-10 protected in 2014, and unprotected in the 2015 Draft.) [Cleveland - Miami, 7/9/2010]
2015 first round draft pick from Miami
Miami's own 1st round draft pick to Cleveland in the "First Allowable Draft" (top 10 protected until the 2017 draft at which it will be unprotected in the 2017 draft). The First Allowable draft shall be the draft that occurs two years following the year in which Miami satisfies its first obligation to convey a future first round draft pick to the Cleveland Cavaliers. [Cleveland - Miami, 7/9/2010]


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed#ixzz1QCe1j1mx​

Alot of different scearios can play out but I see Cleveland stock piling draft picks over the next couple of years and depending on what happens with the CBA (take into account the mandatory college stay is on the table as well) will affect what the Cavs do in the next couple of drafts and FA.
 
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tsteele316;1944512; said:
the part about the picks is totally wrong.

1. cleveland only has the option to sway 2012 picks with miami, they don't get the pick outright until 2013.
2. cleveland used a 2012 2nd rounder in the semi erden/harangody trade.
3. the orlando 2nd round picks are for 2013 and 2014.
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yes your right...i was reading off realgm.com that didnt have those trades listed along with the fact the orlando picks arent until later...BUT there is no reason we cant turn the 2013 and 2014 picks into better grades thru more trades....also another good article on thompson

http://cavs.ohio.com/2011/06/cleveland-cavaliers-draft-wrap/

* As for the pick itself of Thompson, yes, the Cavs already have J.J. Hickson and Antawn Jamison on the roster. So what? Both are in the final year of their deals and there is an excellent chance neither is on this roster 12 months from now. That is pretty much a guarantee with Jamison, while Hickson should have excellent trade value between now and the trading deadline. The selection of Thompson makes it clear the Cavs aren?t willing to pay Hickson at least $8 to $10 million a year, which he?ll likely command on the open market (under the current salary cap rules).
* The trade of Justin Harper (No. 32 overall) wasn?t that surprising. If the Cavs could get three high first-round picks to take into next season, terrific. Short of that, they weren?t interested in bringing a mediocre rookie with limited long-term potential and putting him on a bad team. So they flipped him for a pair of second-round picks in 2013 and 2014.
* It?s important to understand that the new regime of the Cavs covets draft picks. The more picks, the better, particularly on a roster lacking in players anyone else wants. Picks are assets that can be moved around in future deals. Harper may have been able to help a little bit next season, but would he really be a key figure on this team four years from now? If not, was it really worth keeping him around?
* Lastly, as the Cavs begin this rebuilding process, look at it this way: It?s as if there are 15 current vacancies on this roster. With very, very few exceptions, the bodies currently occupying the positions on this roster probably won?t be around three or four years from now. In many cases, even two years from now. This is a MASSIVE rebuild from the ground up.
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I don't know...I was actually pretty excited about Harper. Thought he'd be good in pick and roll with Irving since his jumpshot is wet.

I'm concerned about Thompson's ability to score in the NBA. He has decent athleticism, but his shot is funky, his free-throws are brutal, and he could use a few extra pounds.

All things he can improve. I like that they went BPA, it just sucks it's at a position where Hickson is already at. Assuming we keep Hickson until the deadline, I'm not even sure Thompson starts which is disappointing as well.

I'd have preferred Jonas myself...kid looks like the next Tyson Chandler, IMO. With more athleticism.
 
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