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Cleveland Cavs (2016 NBA Champions)

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tsteele316 said:
So many guys with no idea of how to play team defense.
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Amen. While I am still in the camp that feels KI (no brainer) and TT (bit of a reach) were the right picks, I'm beginning to wonder if the GM has a clue about drafting players who are or have the character to be great team guys. The more I read about Dion Waiters, the more I think he reached on this young man (not talent-wise but attitude and character) and should have drafted Harrison Barnes instead; especially from a chemsitry stand point. Ditto with Bennett. In hind sight, Oladipo should have been the pick.

Must give props to picking up Deng. If they can re-sign him that will be huge. Hopefully KI can mature into the player we hope. Then Dion and Bennett turn into the players the FO hoped they would. IMO, if Dion hasn't gotten his head straight by season's end, I would trade him in the off-season. Someone needs to light a fire under Bennett's ass. Kid has talent but it hasn't translated to the court. Maybe Deng's presence will have a positive impact over the long-haul.

Also, beginning to wonder if Mike Brown is the right coach for this team but then again who is? Should the Cavs have kept Scott? Color me confused with this team and organization.
 
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Hindsight being 20/20 I would have gone with Drummond and Oladipo the past 2 drafts. I'm sure there are other guys that have been surprises, but both of those are picks that could have been made. Hopefully I'm wrong and Waiters, Bennett, and Mike Brown pan out for the Cavs. It seems like Mike Brown only has 3 players on the roster that he trusts right now and Kyrie isn't one of them.
 
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exhawg said:
Hindsight being 20/20 I would have gone with Drummond and Oladipo the past 2 drafts. I'm sure there are other guys that have been surprises, but both of those are picks that could have been made. Hopefully I'm wrong and Waiters, Bennett, and Mike Brown pan out for the Cavs. It seems like Mike Brown only has 3 players on the roster that he trusts right now and Kyrie isn't one of them.
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what you've seen is the evolution of the roster. jack's minutes have been slowly dwindling since he plays no semblance of defense and far too often kills ball movement. Earl Clark rarely plays now. Gee never plays now. Zeller is getting more run since he's been showing a moderate ability to be a rotational center. Even when Miles isn't going brick city, he still gets limited minutes as he's totally awful on defense and still takes too many bad shots and makes terrible decisions on offense.

the bigger problem facing the cavs right now is the fact that the roster is incredibly young, and filled with guys that were never asked to play anything resembling defense for byron scott, and it's showing at times on the court. that's coupled with interior defense being only adequate and guards that allow too much penetration. add to all that the fact that these guys had no desire or emphasis put on winning their first few years in the league and you see a team that far too often doesn't close out quarters and wilts late in games, especially on the road.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
So is Bennett a short 4 or a fat 3?

I really have to question Chris Grant's overall philosophy. For years this team has been stockpiling assets to give them flexibility, and then they get stuck taking three picks in the worst draft in recent memory. It just doesn't make any sense at all - there had to be some trade option that was better than staying pat.

In the post-Lebron era, the Cavs have had six picks in the first round, and have ended up with:

1. Kyrie Irving - a bonafide superstar
2. Tristan Thompson - an undersized power forward with limited skills on both offense and defense; now likely a bench player with the addition of Bennett
3. Dion Waiters - a shooting guard who can't shoot, and won't play defense; much better suited as a sixth-man
4. Tyler Zeller - a back-up center, and not a very good one at that
5. Anthony Bennett - a classic tweener who's already trying to eat himself out of the league (reportedly weighs 260+)
6. Sergey Karasev - a tweener and a project

So in three drafts, the Cavs still haven't obtained a starting 3, a starting 5, or a legitimate perimeter shooter.
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Brutus1 said:
Wow, the ultimate in Cleveland woe is me fan attitude.
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Actually, the Cavs are even worse than I'd thought they'd be. :lol:
 
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I'm surprised noone has posted this here yet. http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24427061/report-the-cavaliers-are-a-flaming-mess

As Deng recently told one close friend, “the stuff going on in practice would never be tolerated by the coaching staff or the front office back in Chicago. It's a mess."

Deng was brought in to help clean it up when he arrived in a deal for Andrew Bynum on Jan. 7. But since then, he's seen players get thrown out of practice, take off their uniform tops at halftime and threaten not to play, mouth off to Brown and generally act like spoiled brats. Entering Saturday's game at Houston, the Cavs had lost seven of their last 11 games since the Deng trade.

There is no accountability, as Dion Waiters found out when he was kicked out of practice last week but still got his usual minutes against the Knicks. Brown isn't getting much help from GM Chris Grant, who is expected to be fired at season's end because of the losing and problems in the locker room.
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now of course tsteel316 is going to come in and tell us we're all just a buncha whiners and that Waters is awesome, Grant will be keeping his job because he's done an outstanding job, and how Deng said publicly everything is great....

Cavs continuing the tradition of shitty drafting and shitty teams that Cleveland is known for
 
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AuTX Buckeye said:
I'm surprised noone has posted this here yet.
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I think apathy has set in for the season...

exhawg said:
Time to burn it down and start from scratch. It sounds like the locker room is a cancer. No way Chris Grant lasts more than a week after the end of the season.
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I agree... We are closer to a Top 5 pick than a playoff spot (actually it is the same distance... but only in the Eastern Conference can you be 5 games behind a playoff spot and 5 games from the 2nd worst record in the league)

But in this draft... a Top 5 pick will bring us more talent than the last 2 drafts. Whoever we end up with in this draft plus Kyrie SHOULD be a good nucleus for a playoff team. (I am starting to have doubts that Kyrie is a superstar)

Now we just have to hope Chris Grant doesn't screw us up on his way out the door trying to save his job. I really hope Gilbert vetoes any trade that kills our future assets.
 
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AuTX Buckeye said:
I'm surprised noone has posted this here yet. http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24427061/report-the-cavaliers-are-a-flaming-mess



now of course tsteel316 is going to come in and tell us we're all just a buncha whiners and that Waters is awesome, Grant will be keeping his job because he's done an outstanding job, and how Deng said publicly everything is great....

Cavs continuing the tradition of [Mark May]ty drafting and [Mark May]ty teams that Cleveland is known for
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:roll1:
 
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THANK GOD!!! Did not want him to make a trade to try to save his job but screw us in the future.

As for the future... Keep Mike Brown til the end of the season. Why bother with interim coach while Brown can at least teach these guys defense so maybe something sticks with these guys when we get a new head coach this summer.

And one more thing... START TANKING!!! Trade Andy, trade Waiters and might as well get rid of Jack.
 
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