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Cleveland Cavs (2016 NBA Champions)

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The Lakers are a game and a half back with 20 to play. They've made up three games in the last 10 on the Jazz. If we get really greedy, we'd want the Bucks to stay ahead of the Lakers so that pick would be #15.

Ok, back to the tank again against Memphis.
 
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Cavs now match their win total for last year, 21 wins. Unfortunately they have now caught 4 other teams with 21 wins. Three other teams have 23 or 24 wins. Here are the win totals so far:

Charlotte -- 13
Orlando -- 17
Washington -- 19
New Orleans -- 21
Phoenix -- 21
Sacramento -- 21
Minnesota -- 21
Cleveland -- 21
Detroit -- 23
Philadelphia -- 23
Toronto -- 24
 
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colobuck79;2312276; said:
Cavs now match their win total for last year, 21 wins. Unfortunately they have now caught 4 other teams with 21 wins. Three other teams have 23 or 24 wins. Here are the win totals so far:

Charlotte -- 13
Orlando -- 17
Washington -- 19
New Orleans -- 21
Phoenix -- 21
Sacramento -- 21
Minnesota -- 21
Cleveland -- 21
Detroit -- 23
Philadelphia -- 23
Toronto -- 24
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I think the Cavs have grown to the point where the tank is going to be much harder unless there is some sort of injury. Even then they have a handful of players that can get it done on any given night so I'm to the point where I expect them to win the games against lesser teams. They have 6 games left against other teams on the above list, which isn't a good sign for ending with a worse record than any of them. If Andy had been healthy all season we might be talking playoff right now.

Best case scenario is the Lakers squeak into the playoffs and the Cavs can talk MJ into trading both of Charlotte's first rounders to them for all 4 of their picks. The only chance of that working is if Charlotte is out of the top 3 of the draft.
 
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exhawg;2312290; said:
I think the Cavs have grown to the point where the tank is going to be much harder unless there is some sort of injury. Even then they have a handful of players that can get it done on any given night so I'm to the point where I expect them to win the games against lesser teams. They have 6 games left against other teams on the above list, which isn't a good sign for ending with a worse record than any of them. If Andy had been healthy all season we might be talking playoff right now.

Best case scenario is the Lakers squeak into the playoffs and the Cavs can talk MJ into trading both of Charlotte's first rounders to them for all 4 of their picks. The only chance of that working is if Charlotte is out of the top 3 of the draft.
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the cavs have won games with kyrie out. they've won games with waiters and zeller out. they've won games despite not having AV for most of the year. apparently cleveland has progressed beyond pure tanking. i said about 2 weeks ago there was no way they'd finish 7th in the lottery. that may end up being wrong. but next season, they could actually be a playoff contender.
 
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tsteele316;2312295; said:
the cavs have won games with kyrie out. they've won games with waiters and zeller out. they've won games despite not having AV for most of the year. apparently cleveland has progressed beyond pure tanking. i said about 2 weeks ago there was no way they'd finish 7th in the lottery. that may end up being wrong. but next season, they could actually be a playoff contender.
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Hopefully they still get a shot at Porter in the draft. Over the past month or so I've changed my mind on trying to sign a big FA. The way the new CBA is working the Cavs could bring in a big name after next season, but then when Kyrie gets a max deal they probably wouldn't be able to resign Thompson or Waiters. The new NBA will build through the draft and then make wise decisions when it comes time to renew everyone. Sometimes that will mean trading away a player like OKC did with Harden. Teams can still go over the cap, but it can really only last for a couple years before they can't afford the luxury tax anymore.

The Cavs are really only a SF and a C away from competing. IMO SF is the more important of those positions because they do have Andy and Zeller for the next year or two. If you add Oden into that mix C is pretty well stocked. In this draft I would have no problem if they pick Porter first and then a SG/SF with range with the second pick. Bring back Gee, Ellington, and Speights for the bench and this team looks pretty good.
 
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tsteele316;2312295; said:
the cavs have won games with kyrie out. they've won games with waiters and zeller out. they've won games despite not having AV for most of the year. apparently cleveland has progressed beyond pure tanking. i said about 2 weeks ago there was no way they'd finish 7th in the lottery. that may end up being wrong. but next season, they could actually be a playoff contender.
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With or without Vereajo, i think it would be a dissapointment if the cavs didnt make the playoffs next year....especially in the east
 
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y0yoyoin;2312326; said:
With or without Vereajo, i think it would be a dissapointment if the cavs didnt make the playoffs next year....especially in the east
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eh. given where they're likely to finish this year, and what it will take to be #8 in the East, you're looking at a close to 20 win jump to make the playoffs. that's a bit of a stretch. of course, if waiters makes a big jump next year it's possible, but as a practical matter, it's probably still unlikely.
 
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tsteele316;2312336; said:
eh. given where they're likely to finish this year, and what it will take to be #8 in the East, you're looking at a close to 20 win jump to make the playoffs. that's a bit of a stretch. of course, if waiters makes a big jump next year it's possible, but as a practical matter, it's probably still unlikely.
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Last year it took 35 wins for the 8th seed in the East. The Cavs currently have 21 wins and still have to play 6 games against teams that they should beat. I would put them in the 25-30 win range this year depending on how much they can tank. Add 5-10 wins onto that and they are in the playoffs. 40 wins might get them home court in the first round.

How many games have they been in until the last few minutes this year and then lost at the end? I bet that is your 5-10 extra wins right there.

Edit: Just realized where I screwed up with the lockout season, but 37 wins got the 8 seed 2 years ago.
 
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exhawg;2312341; said:
Last year it took 35 wins for the 8th seed in the East. The Cavs currently have 21 wins and still have to play 6 games against teams that they should beat. I would put them in the 25-30 win range this year depending on how much they can tank. Add 5-10 wins onto that and they are in the playoffs. 40 wins might get them home court in the first round.

How many games have they been in until the last few minutes this year and then lost at the end? I bet that is your 5-10 extra wins right there.
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this year the 8 seed in the east is going to win 42-43 games. to get home court in the east, you'll need at least 48 wins this year.

the cavs are likely going to win a handful of games at most down the stretch, as they up their tanking efforts. i think the last hollinger projection had the cavs winning about 25 games.
 
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bigdog3300;2312347; said:
Would anyone here give up our 15th or 16th overall pick (assuming we get it from the Lakers) for Evan Turner?
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Unfortunately, Evan needs the ball in his hands to be effective. With Dion Waiters and Kyrie both needing the ball a lot, I just don't see much need for him. Evan has increased his shooting ability, but it's just not consistent enough.

I like Evan a lot and think he can still be a good player in the NBA as he matures. I just think he's better suited for a team with an average to below average starting PG in the NBA where they can afford to let him play point guard at times.

To directly answer your question, I'd rather they use that pick on a Kelly Olynyk type prospect.
 
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bigdog3300;2312347; said:
Would anyone here give up our 15th or 16th overall pick (assuming we get it from the Lakers) for Evan Turner?
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Would I? Yes
Would Chris Grant? Don't think so.

Cavs already have 2 starting guards that can play the point. Not sure if they would want a point forward as well. The other question would be does Philly want to move him for the 16th pick.
 
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tsteele316;2312342; said:
this year the 8 seed in the east is going to win 42-43 games. to get home court in the east, you'll need at least 48 wins this year.

the cavs are likely going to win a handful of games at most down the stretch, as they up their tanking efforts. i think the last hollinger projection had the cavs winning about 25 games.
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I think we need a vbet on how many games the Cavs will win this year. Nearly half of the remaining games are against other tankers and I don't see them being able to get out with only 4 more wins unless Kyrie and Waiters get the flu for the next 2 months. I wouldn't be shocked to see them get to 30 wins. 28 would be pretty safe. Will Lebron even travel to Cleveland in the second to last game if the Heat have home court locked up?
 
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