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Cleveland Browns (Finally drafting Buckeyes)

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buckeyebri said:
Needed to hire an experienced HC. Someone who knows how to run a team and a locker room. They keep reaching for the next out of the box great hire and always miss.
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Absolutely. Hiring a guy that has a total of 8 games as a coordinator to lead a roster of personalities and guys that don't have a clue how to win was a grave error. The talent is here, they need somebody to lead, not a guy that gives good sound bites and is everybody's "pal." Like I said, serious Tomsula vibe. It's almost always a bad idea to take too much from week 1, and who knows, maybe this wakes them up and they still pull off 9 or 10 wins. We'll know a lot more when we see how they respond. Because they're the laughingstock of the league again right now.
 
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buckeyebri said:
Needed to hire an experienced HC. Someone who knows how to run a team and a locker room. They keep reaching for the next out of the box great hire and always miss.
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I don't think you have to necessarily hire an experienced HC, you just have to hire the "right guy". The problem with most "experienced", unemployed, and available NFL head coaches is that some other team fired them because they weren't "doing the job" (i.e. winning, etc.).

Just sayin': An experienced NFL head coach that took his team to a Super Bowl could be unemployed and available after this season, i.e. Jim Harbaugh...... :slappy:
 
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ScriptOhio said:
I don't think you have to necessarily hire an experienced HC, you just have to hire the "right guy". The problem with most "experienced", unemployed, and available NFL head coaches is that some other team fired them because they weren't "doing the job" (i.e. winning, etc.).

Just sayin': An experienced NFL head coach that took his team to a Super Bowl could be unemployed and available after this season, i.e. Jim Harbaugh...... :slappy:
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I think Arians would have been a great hire. Sure he was unemployed, but sometimes with HCs there isn’t always the right fit with the front office and that has a lot to do with their demise. This is a very young team that needs a coach who isn’t learning on the job.

The Browns have been looking for the “right guy” for awhile now. Apparently they have been looking in all the wrong places and Mr. Right has been nowhere to find to this point.
 
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buckeyebri said:
I think Arians would have been a great hire. Sure he was unemployed, but sometimes with HCs there isn’t always the right fit with the front office and that has a lot to do with their demise. This is a very young team that needs a coach who isn’t learning on the job.

The Browns have been looking for the “right guy” for awhile now. Apparently they have been looking in all the wrong places and Mr. Right has been nowhere to find to this point.
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Arians might have been a good choice.

Former NFL head coaches
Bruce Arians, former Colts and Cardinals coach
Arians walked away from the Arizona Cardinals after last season. He has said publicly that he would come back to coach the Browns. He would not be a bad choice in Cleveland, where the priority will be hiring a coach to oversee the development of quarterback Baker Mayfield.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ct-spt-nfl-coaching-jobs-candidates-20181128-story.html

Found this (interesting) article/list:
Plenty of former NFL coaches aren’t drawing interest, yet
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...ormer-nfl-coaches-arent-drawing-interest-yet/

JMHO, Jeff Fisher might have been "a good fit" too.
 
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NFBuck said:
BTW, Re: Taking too much from week 1...Tomsula's Niners dominated eventual division champ Minnesota for a week 1 win, then the wheels came off.
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Yeah, Week 1 is almost like mulligan week. No other week can a team spend a month or more to prepare for your game. Some strange stuff happens this week. Really the whole month of September is more of a developmental period for a lot of teams.
 
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Buckeneye said:
My concern for this team really hadn't changed in the last couple months and my fears were realized today.

Monken and Freddie became obsessed with their shiny toys - ODB, Landry and Baker. Forgot all about your pro bowl running back and that your sophomore QB is at his best when you're setting up play action where he is devastating with the short and intermediate game. Likewise for Buddy Boy Dorsey by trading away arguably our best player in Zietler.

Worst part is, the Oline didn't look terrible. Pass pro was pretty respectable and on that first drive the blend of play calls was pretty outstanding. Then Tennessee adjusted and Freddie put his head up his ass the rest of the game.
And the Farve mentality that Baker has reared its ugly head early and often.



Flash and style will never beat passion and substance. Baker appears easy to frustrate and when he is, he puts too much on the ball - explaining some of those misses. And when he misses, it's usually high.
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So, I had some kid events yesterday, so I got to see the first drive and got home for garbage time (2nd interception and beyond) with a little bit of radio, just watched the parts between.

Oline looked pretty terrible to me. OK, let me rephrase that, Chris Hubbard was a walking turnstile (when he wasn't holding) grease fire. Just awful.

As to the play calling, yeah, I think you're right, most of it can be fixed simply by remembering Nick Chubb is on your team. Felt like they're trying to keep him on a pitch count (prolly first 8 games) but they have to run the ball... Seemed like that drive where they got it down to 2 pts they started to remember that, but by then the Defense had taken too many punches (and plenty of them self inflicted obviously)

Essentially they got Tressel-balled by the Titans, but, instead of the Titans just making fewer mistakes, the Browns decided, we'll make as many as fucking possible.

Worst part is, most of the personal fouls on defense were from guys who should know a lot better than that. So, maybe that's correctable, but sheesh. Was it 6 x 15 yarders? Pretty good!
 
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AKAK said:
So, I had some kid events yesterday, so I got to see the first drive and got home for garbage time (2nd interception and beyond) with a little bit of radio, just watched the parts between.

Oline looked pretty terrible to me. OK, let me rephrase that, Chris Hubbard was a walking turnstile (when he wasn't holding) grease fire. Just awful.

As to the play calling, yeah, I think you're right, most of it can be fixed simply by remembering Nick Chubb is on your team. Felt like they're trying to keep him on a pitch count (prolly first 8 games) but they have to run the ball... Seemed like that drive where they got it down to 2 pts they started to remember that, but by then the Defense had taken too many punches (and plenty of them self inflicted obviously)

Essentially they got Tressel-balled by the Titans, but, instead of the Titans just making fewer mistakes, the Browns decided, we'll make as many as fucking possible.

Worst part is, most of the personal fouls on defense were from guys who should know a lot better than that. So, maybe that's correctable, but sheesh. Was it 6 x 15 yarders? Pretty good!
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Hubbard? Yeah, he was bad, but it didn’t help when the starting LT went Sweet Chin Music and got tossed in the second quarter. It was a sump pump backup after that.
 
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