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Cleveland Browns (Finally drafting Buckeyes)

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Starts from the very top and trickles down. Haslam is a joke, Dorsey is overrated as hell and Kitchens isn't ready.

Tennessee Jerrah started his thumb up the ass with the Manziel pick - which was ENTIRELY his fault. Dorsey contributed to the decimation of the Oline by trading one of the best guards in the NFL and not addressing the tackle situation or depth in the off-season. He built a mid 2000's type Colts Dline that's based on speed and pass rush. Not the worst idea if you can put up points and force the other teams to score with you, but our offense isn't capable of that and expecting them to have been at that level was simply stupid. Did I mention he traded away significant future draft capital along the way?

Kitch... he showed some signs of getting better over the last few weeks. I don't mean that as it just coincides with playing worse teams, but the play calling was getting better. Now here vs the Cardinals he gets away from his comfort zone and hits the panic button. The defense is gutted from suspensions and injuries and the interior duo of Sheldon and Jobi isn't meant to hold up like some of the bigger interiors you see in the NFL. This is, outside of Chubb, a very "flashy" team. I don't mean that in a good sense.

The lines need to be addressed with talent and depth on both sides, the TE position needs a couple of bodies to dedicate to inline run blocking, I would personally tag Kareem and work to get draft assets out of him. Investing what some people have hinted at into the RB room with THAT much money is foolish. It's a low shelf life position and what we need are quality young runners (on the cheap) to spell Chubb and catch reliably when asked to. Test the waters with Schob and see what kind of $$ he's looking for. I wouldn't be comfortable giving him top 10 LB pay, IMHO. Vernon can be moved in the off-season, honestly he presents an even greater liability with how small this Dline already is.

We're starring at 7-9 just under 2 years removed from completing only the 2nd 0-16 finish in NFL history. Perhaps I'm just an idiot (I am) but I believe blowing this thing up and attempting some type of rebuild would be a terrible idea right now. We have SOME talent finally. What is important is finding the right people to steer the ship.
 
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buckeyebri said:
^^^This^^^

QB the Browns could have picked instead of Mayfield...Lamar Jackson....

Like I have said before Modell cursed Cleveland when he left. The former Browns have always had a pretty solid front office with good scouts.
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Going to stop you right there. Even with the benefit of hindsight, I'm still not investing a 1st rounder in Lamar. He has done some crazy shit this year and Baltimore is a very good team, that I fully admit. But he still plays on a team and in an offense that is designed to do two things.

1) Protects him from having to play from behind I.E. dropping back, making full field pre and post snap reads.

2) Gives him designed QB runs. Thereby playing to what is still his strong suit - his legs.

Create turnovers and negative plays then go up 2 scores and you get then watch how their offense tends to struggle. (vs the Browns in week 4)

That's not including the defense which is built with two primary goals as well.

- Limit the run
- Generate turnovers by taking chances.



Lamar plays at the most critical position in all of sports. Re-read that to let it settle in. So when you design and ask your QB to take the most rushing attempts in NFL history at that position, what are your coaches saying about your ability as a passer? Now I realize Jackson will never be a "classic passer" and there's more than enough room in the modern NFL for those guys to succeed. But in there we run into the other barrier... longevity. LJ does a solid job protecting himself, but he is still being exposed to hits and the risk of hits over the course of a game and season more than any other elite QB. That's all fine and great if your coaches are attempting to develop you as a passer along the way where you might transition into the more "normal" role. God knows it's possible, but take Cam Newton for example. He is, without really any doubt, a much more refined passer from the pocket. He's on his way out in Carolina and with it comes a long list of missed snaps and errants plays due to how many hits the guy had taken over the course of multiple seasons. It's not a breed of player that has any history of staying power in, what will always be, a very violent game. Who are scramblers that played in offenses tailored to option game that never developed their skills over time? Who was protected early career that can now rely on their eyes and arms? .... Closest I can think of is Russel Wilson and that's pushing it.

For all the OOO's and AHHH's the Lamar has produced and the amount of Michael Vick comparisons, we forget that the NFL always catches up to you if you're not ever improving. Vick was a sub 60% passer with an injury history and had problems in late-season and playoff runs.

I welcome the Ravens keeping Lamar. I'm not convinced he'll ever evolve to the point where his legs won't be his exit strategy from trouble so it's just a matter of patience. Generally you want your franchise QB to be a decade player. Cam didn't even make it 8 years.
 
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Buckeneye said:
Going to stop you right there. Even with the benefit of hindsight, I'm still not investing a 1st rounder in Lamar. He has done some crazy shit this year and Baltimore is a very good team, that I fully admit. But he still plays on a team and in an offense
that is designed to do two things.

1) Protects him from having to play from behind I.E. dropping back, making full field pre and post snap reads.

2) Gives him designed QB runs there-by playing to what is still his strong suit - his legs.

Create turnovers and negative plays then go up 2 scores and you get then watch how their offense tends to struggle. (vs the Browns in week 4)

That's not including



Lamar plays at the most critical position in all of sports. Re-read that to let it settle in. So when you design and ask your QB to take the most rushing attempts in NFL history at that position, what are your coaches saying about your ability as a passer? Now I realize Jackson will never be a "classic passer" and there's more than enough room in the modern NFL for those guys to succeed. But in there we run into the other barrier... longevity. LJ does a solid job protecting himself, but he is still being exposed to hits and the risk of hits over the course of a game and season more than any other elite QB. That's all fine and great if your coaches are attempting to develop you as a passer along the way where you might transition into the more "normal" role. God knows it's possible but take Cam Newton for example. He is, without really any doubt, a much more refined passer from the pocket. He's on his way out in Carolina and with it comes a long list of missed snaps and errants plays due to how many hits the guy had taken over the course of multiple seasons. It's not a breed of player that has any history of staying power in, what will always be, a very violent game. Who are scramblers that played in offenses tailored to option game but haven't developed their skills over time who can now rely on their eyes and arms? .... Closest I can think of is Russel Wilson and that's pushing it.

For all the OOO's and AHHH's the Lamar has produced and the amount of Michael Vick comparisons, we forget that the NFL always catches up to you if you're not ever improving. Vick was a sub 60% passer with an injury history and had problems in late-season and playoff runs.

I welcome the Ravens keeping Lamar. I'm not convinced he'll ever evolve to the point where his legs won't be his exit strategy from trouble so it's just a matter of patience. Generally you want your franchise QB to be a decade player. Cam didn't even make it 8 years.
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Time will tell if Lamar can take the beating. He has looked decent as a passer as the season has progressed.

Thing is the Ravens will once again be in the playoffs while the Browns continue to struggle. This was more to the point of my comment. The draft before we watched them pass on Mahomes and Watson and then take a flyer on Keizer in the second.

As you said it starts at the top and trickles down. It’s a fundamentally bad organization, unlike the Ravens.
 
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Here's the irony of the situation: this is the EXACT team that Browns fan wanted. The big swinging dick GM who was going to take chances on every bad boy and head case he could find. The rookie HC who was going to amp up the attitude and put the media in their place. The trash-talking gun-slinging "you're with us or against us" QB with a shit list as long as his arm. The prima donna WR who makes more magazine covers than tough catches. A team that jabbers and swaggers and cheap shots and tells Tony Grossi to go fuck himself. A team that's feelin' real dangerous....

Y'all happy now?
 
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