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If that DT ends up getting cut I'm going to be really pissed they didn't give Noah Brown a shot.
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I understand the skepticism from all the other fans in this thread...but honestly, I think the Browns had an incredible draft. Were there stupid picks? Sure. But overall, I think the Browns had one of the best drafts, if not the best. Pair that with Hue Jackson (and I maintain that the Bengals are idiotic for not promoting him and firing Lewis)...I think he made all the right moves overall.
Take this with an ocean-sized grain of salt since I'm a Cincy fan, but I'm beyond envious of your draft. At least you waited until Round 6 to draft your woman beater. Cincy traded back for basically nothing to get ours in the 2nd.
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They didn't even have to fire Lewis. Lewis and Jackson offered to work out a deal where Lewis would retire after another year or two and Jackson would be the coach in waiting. Bengals ownership refused and Jackson left for the Browns.
I don't think I'll ever accept the Gerbil pick. Maybe he makes me eat crow, but no Browns draft pick ever has done that. Besides that and refusing to take Buckeyes I think the Browns had a pretty good draft. They are switching to a 4-3 so the DL will need to be better and they used a lot of picks to help it. Pressure on the QB will go a long way to make the coverage look better. OL and running game should be better, but WR's will be worse since I believe Pryor >>> Britt. I like Kizer at 52 better than any QB taken before him. Maybe he sucks, but he has the potential and the best way to really get ahead in the NFL is if you can find a franchise QB outside of the first round. That basically gives you 4 years of good QB play for cheap so you can spend the money other ways. I don't think it's a coincidence that the Seahawks went downhill after Wilson got his new contract. Think of some hypothetical world where Kizer ends up coming in as a rookie and having a Prescott/Wilson impact on the offense. The Browns then end up with 2 firsts and 2 seconds to fill other holes next year. Right now they just made sure they have the firepower to get whichever QB they want in the draft next year if they need one.
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I guess technically the browns signed a buckeye
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I think if they would have taken Hooker at 12, it would have been an "A" draft.
I've never been one of those "the clowns should load up on Buckeyes" people. In fact, when everybody was clamoring for them to sign Troy Smith years ago, I argued that it wasn't a great idea because he simply wasn't an NFL QB. However, they seem to actively AVOID Buckeyes even when they are the best alternative, and to pass over one, who I think is gonna be a beast in the NFL, for the most overhyped scUMmer possibly of all-time was just idiotic.
Maybe GerbiLLL blossoms in Gregg Williams' defense, and if he does, I'll take my crow, but I watched enough of him in college to develop an informed opinion that he was not a good draft pick.
Like I said yesterday, good teams have star players. For years, the clowns seem happy trading down and passing on potential stars to pick a bunch of "guys." And the results have shown it's a flawed strategy.
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Buckeye86
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I was thinking about Peppers from the perspective of an offensive coordinator in the NFL.
It doesn't matter who- TE, RB, WR- if you can manage to get him in coverage against literally any eligible receiver he is a liability you can exploit all day.
You can also run at him all day because he 1) can't tackle 2) disappears in traffic 3) can't play in space.
If I was an OC I would go at him on every single play, run or pass.
As a DC, you have to guess correctly what blitz to send him on every single play or it seems to me he is an total liability for the defense.
But man, is he going to look athletic out there!
I also suppose there is a chance they can coach him how to cover and tackle properly--- but it's the Browns, and he's a wolverine, so I don't think anyone should hold their breath on that one.
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NorthCoastKid
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Comprehensive dispatch from the Browns war room by Mike Silver:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...show-inside-look-at-how-browns-draft-unfolded
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...show-inside-look-at-how-browns-draft-unfolded
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Buckeneye
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The role that Peppers will fill, SS, nickel/ big nickel &return man... those spots can be found with great value and effectiveness in the mid rounds.
In today's NFL if you want to show 8 man fronts pre-snap or create one post snap, you NEED a pro-bowl center field player. The guy that will make QB's pay for testing his range. It's that simple.
You need that position every bit as much as you need having great corner play.
Yes, Malik's angles and tackling leave something to be desired. However the range he provides you might be well worth the risk. I fear we've passed on that player.
Also, allow me to say this. While I hate scUM, I think Peppers under Williams and with a decent pass rush may turn out to be alright. His man coverage needs some improvement but I think he has the ability to be better than TJ Ward was. That's really the benchmark I'm going to hold him to and for the most part it will be the position he plays.
Not easy for me to say that, but the kid is physically gifted. Now putting the together the stuff that goes between the ears is a different story.
In today's NFL if you want to show 8 man fronts pre-snap or create one post snap, you NEED a pro-bowl center field player. The guy that will make QB's pay for testing his range. It's that simple.
You need that position every bit as much as you need having great corner play.
Yes, Malik's angles and tackling leave something to be desired. However the range he provides you might be well worth the risk. I fear we've passed on that player.
Also, allow me to say this. While I hate scUM, I think Peppers under Williams and with a decent pass rush may turn out to be alright. His man coverage needs some improvement but I think he has the ability to be better than TJ Ward was. That's really the benchmark I'm going to hold him to and for the most part it will be the position he plays.
Not easy for me to say that, but the kid is physically gifted. Now putting the together the stuff that goes between the ears is a different story.
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Poe McKnoe
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TJ Ward is probably the best comparison I've seen, for both the good and the bad.
"Physically gifted" is the constant position each side uses when arguing for or against. In the first round of the draft, teams should be matching and selecting "physically gifted" and "excels at position of need". These teams love the promise of potential, regardless of how far off the player actually is.
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Buckeneye
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Peppers isn't the enforcer that TJ was, but again, he'll be asked to play a similar role.
By physically gifted, I mean for a safety/nickel spot. He has above average burst and top end with good lateral movement. So I don't think man coverage will be as bad for him as it was for TJ in the early going.
That said, TJ is the standard I will still hold him to. So I very much expect a pro-bowl berth as a defender NOT a special teams player first and foremost.
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tsteele316
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As much as I dislike the peppers pick, tj ward would need a rocket up his ass to be as fast as peppers.
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