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Cleveland Browns (2012 season)

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BUCK3YE5;2225068; said:
Page 170. Hopefully I'll remember that 7 months from now when we take Geno #1 overall.
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:lol: Alright, dude. You said it yourself - the Browns will draft whoever will help them the most. Why, then, would they draft a QB? Even if Smith were an elite NFL QB prospect, the Browns would draft what they need most. And that's not QB. There are a handful of positions that need upgraded before QB. The only way they draft a QB #1 overall is if someone emerges as an Andrew Luck-type prospect. That's not happening.
 
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Christ....

I hope people can recognize this franchise is a good 3-4 years away from being competitive at the earliest. The offensive line is average even with Joe Thomas, and Alex Mack. Schwartz has been a turnstile thus far but maybe he gets it together, but our guards are terrible.

Our linebacking core is pretty horribole, especially when you consider D-Qwell will be pretty much useless by the time this team can be good. Scott Fujita sucks, and always has. An awful signing the day he became a Brown. There are some young guys showing glimmers, but nobody you can hang your hat on.

Weeden has shown some signs of being good, but dude is 29. To keep that in perspective, think about how much NFL and playoff experience Joe Flacco has at this point in his career. Flacco is 2 years younger than Weeden. Weeden will prove to be a waste of 5 years assuming the Browns give him extended time to be the franchise QB. Also keep in mind, our 29 year old rookie QB is also performing 4th amongst rookie QB's this year that are at least 6 years younger than him.

I don't know...I don't see the optimism...I think this roster is a joke, especially when you consider where we are player by player accross the NFL. Have we improved our talent? Maybe, I guess....but we sucked to begin with. Just saying we are the youngest team in the NFL isn't proof we are set-up to be playoff bound in the future.

We have one legitimate cornerback for the future. We have 1 legitimate safety for the future. We don't have any decent linebackers for the future. Joe Thomas seems to be losing his elite status. Alex Mack is good but he's a center. Evan Schwartz might be a legit starting RT in the NFL. Our wide receiving core is still easily the worst unit in the NFL and our best receiver was a running back for most of his career.

I love Richardson and the ability he brings. I just, unfortunately see, a MJD-like career where he plays for an irrelevant franchise a majority of his career. The drafting and management of this franchise since coming back to the NFL have really been horrific. And the worst part is, with the way the NFL is structured, a city like Cleveland has an opportunity to compete if they make the right decisions. But they prove every draft and off-season, they are incapable of making smart moves.
 
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3074326;2225084; said:
:lol: Alright, dude. You said it yourself - the Browns will draft whoever will help them the most. Why, then, would they draft a QB? Even if Smith were an elite NFL QB prospect, the Browns would draft what they need most. And that's not QB. There are a handful of positions that need upgraded before QB. The only way they draft a QB #1 overall is if someone emerges as an Andrew Luck-type prospect. That's not happening.
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Because the Browns aren't going to be competitive regardless until Weeden is past his prime.
 
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3074326;2225084; said:
:lol: Alright, dude. You said it yourself - the Browns will draft whoever will help them the most. Why, then, would they draft a QB? Even if Smith were an elite NFL QB prospect, the Browns would draft what they need most. And that's not QB. There are a handful of positions that need upgraded before QB. The only way they draft a QB #1 overall is if someone emerges as an Andrew Luck-type prospect. That's not happening.
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Remember Rhabuf? There's no reasoning with these types. :lol:
 
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BUCK3YE5;2225088; said:
Because the Browns aren't going to be competitive regardless until Weeden is past his prime.
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So draft another 1st round QB and ignore all of the issues that you already have. Flawless logic. That's a recipe for success. :lol:

Has a team ever drafted a QB in the 1st round in back-to-back years? I can't think of one. Closest was Dallas in the late-80s grabbing Aikman, then Walsh in the supplemental.
 
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billmac91;2225099; said:
No they aren't. Welker can move laterally. The reason Dane hasn't been able to cut it.

Unless you're just comparing their skin color...in which case, yes, you are correct.
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Well, they're certainly closer than RG3 (a world class, olympic-level athlete with a howitzer) and Geno Smith.
 
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NFBuck;2225101; said:
Well, they're certainly closer than RG3 (a world class, olympic-level athlete with a howitzer) and Geno Smith.
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Maybe I just disagree. RGIII doesn't even tuck and run much. I think there is a misconception about RGIII that says the guy uses his athletic ability to make people miss and is elusive in the pocket.

RGIII is a freak athlete on paper, but the guy is far from Mike Vick or even Terrelle Pryor from a scrambling POV. I think Geno Hayes throws a similar deep ball to RGIII and works pretty similar in terms of athletic ability. If RGIII used his world class speed to scramble out of the pocket and get to the corner more, maybe I would agree. But the truth is, those accomplishments on paper for RGIII just show what type of athlete he is. It doesn't really translate to the field in terms of being a freak in the pocket and using his legs...because he doesn't.

RGIII is a very good pocket passer, and I think Geno Smith is as well. On another note, the gift that is Braxton Miller's feet are his curse. If he could take a page out of RGIII's book and use his arm out of the pocket accurately and consistently, he could be a future first rounder as well.
 
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billmac91;2225103; said:
Maybe I just disagree. RGIII doesn't even tuck and run much. I think there is a misconception about RGIII that says the guy uses his athletic ability to make people miss and is elusive in the pocket.

RGIII is a freak athlete on paper, but the guy is far from Mike Vick or even Terrelle Pryor from a scrambling POV. I think Geno Hayes throws a similar deep ball to RGIII and works pretty similar in terms of athletic ability. If RGIII used his world class speed to scramble out of the pocket and get to the corner more, maybe I would agree. But the truth is, those accomplishments on paper for RGIII just show what type of athlete he is. It doesn't really translate to the field in terms of being a freak in the pocket and using his legs...because he doesn't.

RGIII is a very good pocket passer, and I think Geno Smith is as well. On another note, the gift that is Braxton Miller's feet are his curse. If he could take a page out of RGIII's book and use his arm out of the pocket accurately and consistently, he could be a future first rounder as well.
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My point is, it's RG3's physical gifts that set him apart from most other QBs...to include Geno Smith. Without those freakish physical gifts, he doesn't go #2 overall. Physically, IMO, Weeden and Smith aren't all that far apart (aside from the obvious age difference). Weeden's not gonna go on the run often, but he can move around in the pocket, and Weeden has the better arm. Either way, ultimately, my point is the Browns are not drafting another QB next year in the 1st round...and nobody is going to put a package together similar to the one like RG3 this year to move up for Geno Smith...if for no other reason, Dan Snyder already did this year and can't next. :lol:
 
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BUCK3YE5;2225088; said:
Because the Browns aren't going to be competitive regardless until Weeden is past his prime.
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So, draft Smith because Weeden is old. I can definitely see how that fixes the problems at WR and linebacker, etc.

There is no logic in drafting Smith. I had trouble responding to that post because it makes absolutely no sense to me.
 
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3074326;2225108; said:
So, draft Smith because Weeden is old. I can definitely see how that fixes the problems at WR and linebacker, etc.

There is no logic in drafting Smith. I had trouble responding to that post because it makes absolutely no sense to me.
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He threw 8 TDs against Baylor yesterday, dude.
 
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