Cleveland Browns (2011 season)

[colobuck79]

On a related note, nice:

I need to see more.

 

[tsteele316]

I'd be more than happy to take a chance of picking up Flynn. I've said it before, I don't want to go through a growing period with another drafted QB. It has NOT worked since we came back as a team. Pick up someone who can play the game, and has shown that he can play.

If you pick up Flynn, you bet your ass we better do everything possible to draft Blackmon. Drop Hillis. That tub a lard is a waste of space. And with the 2nd 1st rounder possibly take a RB.

this is a strawman argument. you can apply this logic to basically any position on the football field except kicker and it would apply to cleveland. if you think a guy is a franchise qb and he's available, you take him. matt flynn could be kevin kolb, so assuming he's anything close to a certainty is shaky at best.

 

[JCOSU86]

If Griffin is there at #4, does Cleveland trade with Washington? They aren't in their division.

I would take Washington's first this year and next and 2nd this year and next.

At #6 take Dre Kirkpatrick, at #22 whoever of Floyd, Sunu, Wright

With the 2's take an OT/OG and a DE

 

[LitlBuck]

If Griffin is there at #4, does Cleveland trade with Washington? They aren't in their division.

I would take Washington's first this year and next and 2nd this year and next.

At #6 take Dre Kirkpatrick, at #22 whoever of Floyd, Sunu, Wright

With the 2's take an OT/OG and a DE

I like your thinking:) but I doubt if Washington would give up that much in order to just two spots. I forget what the value is to move up 2 spots in the first round. Maybe one of the other guys knows.

 

[Bucklion]

Nothing against RGIII as a player or person at all, but that said...if they trade up and mortgage 2 drafts to get him 2 spots higher I will burn all my Browns stuff and write to the PD every day demanding everyone that works for the team with any decision-making capacity be fired until they are. After trading down for 2 or 3 years, trading up now without adequate pieces at at least half a dozen positions would be suicide.

That said, RGIII jerseys on sale now!

 

[NFBuck]

Nothing against RGIII as a player or person at all, but that said...if they trade up and mortgage 2 drafts to get him 2 spots higher I will burn all my Browns stuff and write to the PD every day demanding everyone that works for the team with any decision-making capacity be fired until they are. After trading down for 2 or 3 years, trading up now without adequate pieces at at least half a dozen positions would be suicide.

That said, RGIII jerseys on sale now!

If, and it's a HUGE if, they could find a way to add a good receiver (be it through FA or whatever) after they made that move...I could live with it. Get a good receiver for him to throw to, along with Little (who I think would be a solid #2), MoMass as a #3, and the TEs...I think that's a good start. Of course, if they don't improve the WR corp, it's totally pointless. Then they'd also have to find a RB and upgrade the OL.











Cripes, this team is a mess...

 

[LitlBuck]

Cripes, this team is a mess...

I guess I don't think this team is as bad as everyone is making it out to be. We played quite a few close games this that were decided by 10 points or less. That's not that shabby.

I would like Holmgren to loosen up the purse strings and sign some decent free agents. I think with 4 solid draft picks and 3 pretty good free agents the Browns might be able to contend for a wild-card spot next season:crazy:

the problem that I have with not signing some quality free agents and building entirely through the draft is some of the guys that we have currently will be over the hill by the time the guys we draft are ready to contribute.​

Okay, I am now ready for my beating

 

[BuckNut65]

If, and it's a HUGE if, they could find a way to add a good receiver (be it through FA or whatever) after they made that move...I could live with it. Get a good receiver for him to throw to, along with Little (who I think would be a solid #2), MoMass as a #3, and the TEs...I think that's a good start. Of course, if they don't improve the WR corp, it's totally pointless. Then they'd also have to find a RB and upgrade the OL.

Cripes, this team is a mess...

This is where I agree with the approach that Heckert has taken. There are no home run FA's out there that are going to change the dynamic of the team. Even if there were, the Browns would have to mortgage the farm to even get them to come to Cleveland to play because we are losers. We have so many holes to fill that our franchise play makers are going to have to come from the draft with free agency used to help with depth and problem positions.

The team is not that bad...we just don't have any depth and can't survive anyone getting hurt. Have a little more depth and we could have won 7-8 games this year. The playmakers are what get you over the top afterwards.

We are paying for a decade of bad investments...too bad the NFL can't give us a bailout.

 

[NFBuck]

I guess I don't think this team is as bad as everyone is making it out to be. We played quite a few close games this that were decided by 10 points or less. That's not that shabby.

There's a couple of reasons for that, IMO:
1.) They played a pretty weak schedule.
2.) Some of the better teams they played were banged up at the time.
3.) The defense kept them in games. Subpoint, the defense was able to do that because opposing teams knew they could build a small lead, then go conservative because the clowns didn't have the offense to come back. I do not think the defense is nearly as good as their stats indicate.

This team is woefully devoid of offensive talent. There are a few decent pieces, but they're complimentary...not the kind of guys defenses need to account for on their own. The running game needs serious help. Even if Hillis were to resign (which I doubt given his agent's insane expectations), they need somebody to compliment him. I have a hard time believing Hardesty is capable of doing that. Like I said above, they need a #1 receiver in the worst way. As well as help on the OL. Lot of work to be done.

 

[tsteele316]

I like your thinking:) but I doubt if Washington would give up that much in order to just two spots. I forget what the value is to move up 2 spots in the first round. Maybe one of the other guys knows.

based on the draft value chart that sort of a move is usually worth that team's 3rd round pick. however, you're moving up for a qb in what is essentially a 2 qb draft, so you're going to pay a premium, which is probably a 2nd rounder this year, or a 3rd this year and next. it will also depend on how prospect rankings shake out after the combine and such. if there are generally considered to be 4 or 5 bonafide talents then a drop off thereafter, then the price for such a move goes up more.

 

[JCOSU86]

based on the draft value chart that sort of a move is usually worth that team's 3rd round pick. however, you're moving up for a qb in what is essentially a 2 qb draft, so you're going to pay a premium, which is probably a 2nd rounder this year, or a 3rd this year and next. it will also depend on how prospect rankings shake out after the combine and such. if there are generally considered to be 4 or 5 bonafide talents then a drop off thereafter, then the price for such a move goes up more.

We are talking about Dan Snyder here, he may just do it. I mean, RGIII is a once-in-a-lifetime prospect that only comes around once or twice in a lifetime.

 

[Bucklion]

There's a couple of reasons for that, IMO:
1.) They played a pretty weak schedule.
2.) Some of the better teams they played were banged up at the time.
3.) The defense kept them in games. Subpoint, the defense was able to do that because opposing teams knew they could build a small lead, then go conservative because the clowns didn't have the offense to come back. I do not think the defense is nearly as good as their stats indicate.

This team is woefully devoid of offensive talent. There are a few decent pieces, but they're complimentary...not the kind of guys defenses need to account for on their own. The running game needs serious help. Even if Hillis were to resign (which I doubt given his agent's insane expectations), they need somebody to compliment him. I have a hard time believing Hardesty is capable of doing that. Like I said above, they need a #1 receiver in the worst way. As well as help on the OL. Lot of work to be done.

This is where I am coming from. Serviceable QBs...and even less than that...can win a SB (Dilfer, Rypien, Hostetler, Brad Johnson, Doug Williams, McMahon, Plunkett) if they have pieces around them. Teams with a right side of their OL that collapses when someone sneezes, that has 3 RBs that can't stay healthy and that would not start on any other NFL team, and with WRs that are WR4 on almost any other NFL team do not. We have so many areas (add CB, DE, OLB to the list) that need improved just to be competitive, that we need quality pieces, not one big gamble on a QB who will take years to learn a system. If we hadn't royally boned all those 2nd rounders in 2009, we may be in a position for that...but we are not. Veikune, Robiskie, and Mass set us back 5-7 years...we need to make up for that now, not make it worse.

 

[JCOSU86]

On a related note, nice:

Passes the look test.

Flier.

 

[y0yoyoin]

heres some stuff i have been reading/seeing...

it sounds as if RGIII will probably not get drafted by the browns...he will not fit Shumur's offense...my opinion is how many times has there been a draft pick that the browns will pass on lately because he doesnt fit in the 3-4, 4-3, West Coast Offense, ETC.? It seems like it happens every 2-3 years...so if im holmgren and i believe RGIII is the real deal then i would tell heckert to take a strong look at him...because it is a higher probability that RGIII will be here longer then Shumur will...Tony Grossi is in love with RGIII btw so if you read anything from him just know that...Bruce Drennan has been bringing up Flynn, Kolb and also Ryan Tannehill from Texas A&M...i dont know too much about Tannehill but he is 6-4 and had former packers coach Mike Sherman as a coach for a few years...obviously you can make the holmgren/sherman connection...at this point i think if we stick the course of not drafting a QB in the 1st 2 picks then i think Blackmon has to be the man we take...u do not take Richardson at 4...you trade down...if Blackmon is not there and u need a playmaker we should still trade down...3 1st round picks in this years draft is better then 2...its still way to early to predict anything obviously and the combine is still 2 months away, but i was happy to see RGIII was coming out this year because this can only help the browns in the draft

 

[Buckeye doc]

Andrew Perloff of SI.com must be tuned in to the Browns wavelength. In his mock draft today he has the Browns TRADING UP TO NO. 2 TO TAKE ROBERT GRIFFIN III WHILE THE RAMS DROP BACK TO NO. 4 TO GET JUSTIN BLACKMON AND ALSO GET THE BROWNS' OTHER FIRST ROUNDER. He just predicted something so colossally retarded that he probably pinpointed the Browns' thinking precisely.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...mock.draft/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a2

Well put.

I agree with Bucklion except I don't have any Browns stuff to burn any more.