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Cleveland Browns (2007 & prior)

I don't wanna bust anyone's bubble... but some of the older guys may remember MIKE JUNKIN... "a mad dog in a meat market".. or some crap like that

Touchdown Tommy Vardell!!!

The Browns lacked so much talent that Jim Brown would have had an average year as a rookie with the 05 Browns. Those deficiencies are finally being addressed. In another couple of years rookies should be able to have a greater impact because of a stronger team overall.
 
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In another couple of years rookies should be able to have a greater impact because of a stronger team overall.

Now there is a point I have neglected to think about. The Browns were screwed by the league back when they were awarded an expansion franchise on such short notice. They have been playing catch up ever since. Poor personnel decisions by Butch Davis set them back even further. I finally believe they are making real progress.
 
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Have the Browns had any of that since 99? How many of their picks have been even average at their positions? They do have All-Rookie teams and Rookie of the Year awards, how many Browns' picks have made/won those? Been voted on? Even mentioned?

That being said, I don't advocate throwing away the draft. Great teams are built on the draft. Simply, the Browns must draft better (easy for me to say, lol). But I couldn't argue if someone wanted a proven NFL player for draft picks given the Browns' latest draft success. We can't say "Hey, we can't trade our #1 pick for Joe Allpro and miss out on Gerard Warren".

had phil savage been making the draft selections since 99, then this would be an issue.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
 
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I figure this will be a make or break year for Jones. Last year he was coming off the ACL injury and may not have been 100% healthy or confident. No excuses this year.

I never understood what they saw in Crocker. They could use the 4th rounder on someone like Kudla if still available. Or they'd have to give SD a 4th round pick if they signed Wilhelm.
 
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Canton

3/18/06

Browns keeping an eye on trio from Florida State

Saturday, March 18, 2006



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Free agency and the draft work hand in hand, which could mean the Browns will try to get their mitts on one of three Florida State defenders.

Improving the defensive front was a top priority coming off the first year in Romeo Crennel’s 3-4 scheme. Since no young impact defenders were landed during Phil Savage’s free-agency sweep, the focus turned to some Seminole sensations: tackle Brodrick Bunkley, end Kamerion Wimbley and linebacker Ernie Sims Jr.

A day after 34-year-old linebacker Willie McGinest agreed to terms Wednesday, the Browns had a contingent at Florida State’s Pro Day.

Insofar as Bunkley, Wimbley and Sims figure to be first-round picks who could help Cleveland, two questions arise:

Do the Browns agree with analysts who see the any of the three as worth considering for the No. 12 pick?

If the Browns trade down, is it likely one of the three will be there?

BIG-PLAY BUNKLEY

The 6-foot-2¾, 306-pound Bunkley could play end or nose tackle in the Browns’ 3-4 scheme. He’s a bit light for nose tackle, but he’s a beast.

Bunkley’s NFL Combine performance in the bench press — 44 lifts of 225 pounds — was second only to the 45 put up by Ohio State’s Nick Kudla.

Bunkley has logged 40-yard dash times between 4.9 and 5.0 seconds and is very athletic.

He was a force for Florida State’s disappointing 8-5 team, making 25 tackles for loss, second in NCAA Division I.

The Web site nfldraftscout.com, which worked closely with the league at the Combine, is in love with Bunkley, rating him as the ninth-best player in the draft, one spot behind nose tackle Haloti Ngata of Oregon.

The site posted this updated analysis: “The closer the draft gets, the more the Browns are likely to look at Bunkley. He would play right end, a move that would relegate Alvin McKinley to a backup role.”

The Browns would have to convince themselves Bunkley has grown up. In 2003, he was fined and sentenced to community service for stealing a video game from a store. He also missed practice time in 2005 because of academic issues.

A ‘CHARACTER GUY’

Wimbley would have to convert from 4-3 end to 3-4 outside linebacker to fit. Not a problem, he says.

“I’m open to it,” Wimbley said at the Combine. “It would be a fun challenge. It would give me a chance to display athleticism that you don’t necessarily get to show at end.”

He has had to repair his stock after suffering a sprained knee Nov. 5 when a North Carolina State player chop blocked him. In nine games before the injury, he had 7½ sacks, 17 quarterback pressures and 11 tackles for loss.

It also doesn’t help Wimbley that he was a backup until 2005.

On the plus side, the 6-4, 248-pounder has looked strong in predraft workouts, running 40-yard dashes in about 4.6 seconds and vertical jumping close to 40 inches.

As to his reputation as a strong character guy, Wimbley said, “More of that comes from my spiritual walk. I have a great relationship with my Lord and Savior. I have to carry myself based on that relationship.”

OFF-FIELD ISSUES

Whereas Wimbley is the No. 14 player on nfldraftscout.com’s board, the linebacker, Sims, is No. 14 on Mel Kiper Jr.’s list.

Sims’ height (5-11¼) is a concern, but he looks well put together at 234 pounds. Viewed as Florida State’s best linebacker since Derrick Brooks, Sims plays with a relentless style that produces big hits.

“It’s just in me,” he said. “My intentions are to go out there and punish people.”

He has had to explain off-the-field issues too, including a July arrest on charges he assaulted his girlfriend. He pleaded no contest and was sentenced to two days of public service.

Sims thinks he could inject speed into any scheme. His mother, Alice, was a Florida State track star. His father, Ernie, was a Florida State football player who had been a high school track star. At Thursday’s pro day, he ran the 40 in the 4.5 range.

His younger brother, Marcus, will be a freshman running back at Florida State.

Sims grew up with football. As a ninth-grader, he was a varsity starter for Florida Christian High School in Tallahassee. In a state title game against that year, he lined at defensive end against Orlando Lake Highland offensive tackle Max Starks.

“It was a first chance to face a big-time athlete,” Sims said.

Starks was the Steelers’ right tackle in Super Bowl XL. Reach Repository sports writer Steve Doerschuk at (330) 580-8347 or e-mail: [email protected]
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CPD

3/18/06

Browns cut three players

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The Associated Press

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CLEVELAND (AP) — The Cleveland Browns cut defensive lineman Amon Gordon, long snapper Jody Littleton and offensive lineman Lewis Dawson on Friday.

Gordon was a fifth-round selection in the 2004 draft. He played six games during his rookie season and had 10 tackles. He missed last season with a knee injury.

Littleton joined the Browns last season, replacing injured long snapper Ryan Pontbriand for the final five games.

Dawson never played for the Browns. He spent the 2004 season on the practice squad and missed last season with a knee injury.
 
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Hell no on Sims, I would draft him in the second, but not the first. Isnt he the guy that body slammed his girlfriend? Hes been in trouble way too much to risk a first rounder on.

Wimbleys stock has sky-rocketed, even though I would take Carpenter over him 10 out of 10 times... Carpenter put up better numbers than Wimbley during the season, and better Pro Day numbers, so why isnt there any speculation that we could take Bobby at #12?

Bunkley is simply a freak. He has arms that I have never seen on a defensive tackle. I watched him on TV run his 40-yard dash, and it was a camera view so that he was running right at me... I was ready to hit the freaking floor. He would be a PERFECT fit at DE in the 3-4, and move McKinley to a back-up. Of all the players in the draft, I only have Hawk and Ngata above him on the defensive side of the ball. His agility drills were as good as most of the defensive ends, and thats amazing for a guy that big and strong...

Bunkley is also probably the most realistic possibility to be on the board when we pick...
 
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Bunkley is also probably the most realistic possibility to be on the board when we pick...

i read an OBR report link a few days ago that said cleveland was there at fsu's pro day to see bunkley, simms, and cromartie. i guess the rumblings were that cleveland was going to take bunkley at #12, but they were actually concerned that he would be off the board by their pick.

mind you, this is rumor that was overheard by folks who were listening to folks talking to scouts, so the above is definately in the FWIW category.

Also, the browns cutting Amon Gordon makes the need for at least some depth at the DE spot even more crucial.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
 
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