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Charlie Weis (ex-Kansas HC, ex-Fla OC, Notre Dame legend, UnDecided Schematic Advantage)

buckeyes_rock;1318024; said:
ESPN - Doctors: Charlie Weis' left knee is like a 'trauma knee'
OK, someone explain what "Full Speed" is for old Chuck. :biggrin:

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NOTREDAMECHIEF;1314406; said:
They have improved they just need to learn to close out games.
2 games with 2 TD leads and lost them both .....:(
Sounds like the Clevelan_ Browns.

matcar;1314415; said:
Remarkably...and delightfully...this IS an improvement over the embarrassment of last year. Fortunately, ND seems to be running the course of other middle-of-the-road teams that "build up" for one special year every 4 years where they go 9-4. This may be that special year so enjoy it.

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Also, sounds like the Clevelan_ Browns.
 
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They have improved they just need to learn to close out games.
2 games with 2 TD leads and lost them both ....

Let's get serious. ND has five wins.

These include two teams that are tied for the worst record in the Big Ten, the team with the worst record in the PAC 10, and the team with the worst record in the Mountain West - the MOUNTAIN WEST!

Your sole claim to fame is to be one of the five teams who have beaten Stanford. That is the highlight of your season right now. You beat the sixth place team in the PAC 10. They have to beat USC or Cal so you can brag you beat at least one team that is bowl eligible.

Of course, you still get to play the worst team in the Big East - so you will likely back into a bowl yourself.
 
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Charlie Weis set to resume calling plays for Notre Dame

Awash in raindrops and chagrin on Saturday night?and not necessarily in equal measure, despite occasional downpours in suburban Boston?Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis declared he would become more involved with his team's ailing offense.

On Sunday evening, he claimed not to know the degree of his involvement. That would be defined in offensive meetings later that night. When he reconvenes with reporters Tuesday afternoon, Weis will explain his new M.O. as it concerns the Irish 'O.'

That plan should involve nothing less than Weis once again calling the offensive plays in Notre Dame's three remaining games. Any announcement to the contrary Tuesday would be a surprise, and possibly another miscalculation in a season sliding perilously close to calamity.

"The last two games, when you go back and revisit the Pittsburgh game, for sure the second half, we've gone the last game and a half without production on offense," Weis said a day after a dismal 17-0 defeat at Boston College. "I feel very confident with where we are on defense.

Entire article: Charlie Weis set to resume calling plays for Notre Dame -- chicagotribune.com
 
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They just said on E!spn's Cold Pizza, err First Take that if Tubby loses to Navy this week, he could be in trouble..

Having trashed CW mercilessly even I think it would be a mistake for ND to give him anything but but unqualified support through next season.

You have a Soph QB who - despite his mistakes - has tremendous potential the next two years. You have many high caliber sophs and frosh and a solid class incoming. Next year should be when you really start to reap the benefits.

IMO if you change coaches now - after Davie, Willingham, and the O'Learly debacle - the message is that ND does not know how to fix its football program and the wise recruit would proceed very cautiously.

No, the wise path is to give Charlie one more year. Of course, he will still fail. But you can fire him then and prolong your hopes for one more season before facing the inevitable.

The world has passed you by.
 
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NOTREDAMECHIEF;1321003; said:
Why wait ?? Fire his ass NOW!

NDC, I can't believe you're saying that before his first full recruiting class has finished their playing careers.

NOTREDAMECHIEF said:
From Sept 2, 2007, I've updated it for the current timeframe, changing 2 years to 3 1/2 and frosh/soph to soph/jr

Some of you act as thugh Charlie has been at ND forever! It has been 3 1/2 years! Just 3 1/2 years of not winning a big game. Charlie's players are sophomores/juniors this year and expecting great things from them is very unrealistic. It may very well be a tough year but we all knew it would be, but with the way Charlie has/is recruiting the big wins and great seasons are just around the corner.

A blast from the past. :biggrin:
 
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Oh8ch;1321006; said:
Having trashed CW mercilessly even I think it would be a mistake for ND to give him anything but but unqualified support through next season.

You have a Soph QB who - despite his mistakes - has tremendous potential the next two years. You have many high caliber sophs and frosh and a solid class incoming. Next year should be when you really start to reap the benefits.

IMO if you change coaches now - after Davie, Willingham, and the O'Learly debacle - the message is that ND does not know how to fix its football program and the wise recruit would proceed very cautiously.

No, the wise path is to give Charlie one more year. Of course, he will still fail. But you can fire him then and prolong your hopes for one more season before facing the inevitable.

The world has passed you by.

I guess you are right that this year is not their "magical" year where they go 9-4...that's next year. Then they can become a doormat again.
 
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I guess you are right that this year is not their "magical" year where they go 9-4...that's next year. Then they can become a doormat again.

I have seen Charilie;s Ten Year Plan. It is all about goals.

This year their goal was to beat the 6th place team in the PAC 10.

Next year it will be to beat the 4th place team in the Big Ten.

Before you know it they will be losing to the first place PAC 10 team in a close game at home.

In the 10th year they win a bowl game - against the second place team from the MAC.
 
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All I ever heard was Ty's recruits were holding Charlie back. We now know Ty's recruits, particularly Brady Quinn, propped Charlie up his first 2 years (which is no small feat).

The fact that ND knee-jerked and gave him a huge long-term contract after losing to USC is just delicious. :slappy:
 
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Oh8ch;1321006; said:
Having trashed CW mercilessly even I think it would be a mistake for ND to give him anything but but unqualified support through next season.

You have a Soph QB who - despite his mistakes - has tremendous potential the next two years. You have many high caliber sophs and frosh and a solid class incoming. Next year should be when you really start to reap the benefits.

IMO if you change coaches now - after Davie, Willingham, and the O'Learly debacle - the message is that ND does not know how to fix its football program and the wise recruit would proceed very cautiously.

No, the wise path is to give Charlie one more year. Of course, he will still fail. But you can fire him then and prolong your hopes for one more season before facing the inevitable.

The world has passed you by.

Just using your post as a reference, but I think the whole thing about ND's recruiting classes is bullshit too. Yes, they get some fine talent, but basically Tom Lemming is the biggest ND lover on earth, and I'm not convinced that these "gurus" don't change the ratings based on the decision as to where it appears they are going to go. How many of those supposed "5-stars" that ND gets are actually 5-stars? ND has some decent players, but I see nothing on their roster to indicate their talent level is in the same Zip Code as USC's, in any class.
 
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Bucklion;1321034; said:
Just using your post as a reference, but I think the whole thing about ND's recruiting classes is bull[censored] too. Yes, they get some fine talent, but basically Tom Lemming is the biggest ND lover on earth, and I'm not convinced that these "gurus" don't change the ratings based on the decision as to where it appears they are going to go. How many of those supposed "5-stars" that ND gets are actually 5-stars? ND has some decent players, but I see nothing on their roster to indicate their talent level is in the same Zip Code as USC's, in any class.

On balance, I agree w/ your post but considering how many offers we have made in the past 2 years to folks that ended up at ND, I think we can state that they definitely have some good talent there... Not as much as is stated in the recruit rags, but still some good ones nonetheless. I know I wouldn't mind having a few of those Ohio kids on our team and Mike Floyd too.
 
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matcar;1321045; said:
On balance, I agree w/ your post but considering how many offers we have made in the past 2 years to folks that ended up at ND, I think we can state that they definitely have some good talent there... Not as much as is stated in the recruit rags, but still some good ones nonetheless. I know I wouldn't mind having a few of those Ohio kids on our team and Mike Floyd too.

No, like I said, they get their share of good players, I'm not saying they're really 80th in recruiting or anything...but top-to-bottom their roster just doesn't impress me, after watching them the past decade, as a team that is a perrenial top 5 in recruiting.
 
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