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You are right about the comparison 100%LightningRod;875776; said:
Turning that team around even the little bit he has is an accomplishment and no one can do that except a coach.
The biggest thing a coach can do is get his players to believe in him and Weis has done that.
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NightmaresDad
Woody Rules!
Well, it sure doesn't make him a friggiin' "genius" either!Best Buckeye;875775; said:
It seems he can recruit well. As non-Domer fans we reserve the right to see them actually win some games against the big boys before we let anyone get away with the "genius" talk and the "he won 3 super bowls" talk. Until then, they will be called out on it, and Charlie can keep cussing out the refs.
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what was ND 's record before he got there and what has it been since he got there.LightningRod;875783; said:
Me either
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NOTREDAMECHIEF;875763; said:
First, it's "coaches" (plural form of "coach"), not "coach's" (possessive form of "coach")...not to mention "there" should be "their".
Second, you are indeed "comparing" them when you directly compare records of coaches during the same portion of their careers.
Third, Hayes, Paterno, and Bowden were relatively young coaches coming into big-name schools either from smaller programs with little experience (Hayes had only two years at Miami, Oh; Bowden only four at Samford, Al) or no experience at all (Paterno). Weis came in from a 3-time Super Bowl champion team (albeit he was an offensive coordinator there and not a head coach) and had been a coach at the pro level for 14 years.
Fourth, look at the second years of all four coaches. Hayes was 6-3, with the three losses coming by scores of 21-14, 8-0, and 21-14 (Ohio State also pounded Michigan 27-7 that year). Paterno was 8-2-1, with losses by scores of 23-22 and 17-15, with a 17-17 tie with Fla St in the Gator Bowl. Bowden went 10-2-1 with losses by scores of 23-17 and 41-16 (and won the Tangerine Bowl huge, 40-17). Conversely, while Weis did go 10-3, all three of his losses were total destructions: 47-21, 44-24, and 41-14. Weis has also lost both bowl games.
Probably not a smart comparison on your part...
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NOTREDAMECHIEF
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LightningRod;875776; said:
Another subjrect but after looking at OSU's schedule this year you would be wise to stop the Commander in Chief comments....
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NOTREDAMECHIEF
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MililaniBuckeye;875789; said:First, it's "coaches" (plural form of "coach", not "coach's" (possessive form of "coach"
Second, you are indeed "comparing" them when you directly compare records of coaches during the same portion of their careers.
Third, Hayes, Paterno, and Bowden were relatively young coaches coming into big-name schools either from smaller programs with little experience (Hayes had only two years at Miami, Oh; Bowden only four at Samford, Al) or no experience at all (Paterno). Weis came in from a 3-time Super Bowl champion team (albeit he was an offensive coordinator there and not a head coach) and had been a coach at the pro level for 14 years.
Fourth, look at the second years of all four coaches. Hayes was 6-3, with the three losses coming by scores of 21-14, 8-0, and 21-14 (Ohio State also pounded Michigan 27-7 that year). Paterno was 8-2-1, with losses by scores of 23-22 and 17-15, with a 17-17 tie with Fla St in the Gator Bowl. Bowden went 10-2-1 with losses by scores of 23-17 and 41-16 (and won the Tangerine Bowl huge, 40-17). Conversely, while Weis did go 10-3, all three of his losses were total destructions: 47-21, 44-24, and 41-14. Weis has also lost both bowl games.
Probably not a smart comparison on your part...
Spin it however you want.... my point was made....
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NOTREDAMECHIEF;875796; said:
I would bet that Youngstown State would beat Army and would give Navy and Air Force all they could handle...
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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
Davie - 1997-2001 - W-35 L-25, Bowl Game Wins - 0, Percentage 0.583Best Buckeye;875788; said:
Willingham 2002-2004 W-21 L-16, Bowl Game Wins - 0, Percentage 0.568
Weis 2005-2006 W-19 L-6, Bowl Game Wins - 0, Percentage 0.760
He has at least turned around the Win-Loss numbers during the regular season.
What he has not done is win big games against USC or in Bowl Games. I figure they might get of the Bowl Game snide if they are willing to accept a lower bowl bid - somewhere with Blue Turf perhaps?
(Oh yes, the Buckeyes and 'SC - Winning Percentages of 0.880 and 0.885, both with only 3 losses over that period. The 0.880 percentage is a record shared by the Buckeyes, Texas Christian, and the 'Eers. The 0.885 only equaled by Texas in that 2-year span.)
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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
MililaniBuckeye;875789; said:
You forget that Charlie Weis coaches at Notre Dame. Losing to USC one of those times counts as a win, and losing Bowl games is OK, because Weis has already won Super Bowls. He also recruited a quarterback who pretty much just needs to step out onto the field so he can receive his Heisman. Also, the military academies are much better football teams that we give them credit for.
I think that Weis's success in college football might be so great, that he's going to make it to the College Football Hall of Fame, the Pro Football Hall of Fame, the Hockey Hall of Fame, the Baseball Hall of Fame, the Rugweaver's Hall of Fame, the annual Star Trek Convention, and to Time's Man of the Forever.
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Thanks Buddy, I knew I could depend on you to have that data at your fingertips.sandgk;875801; said:
Everything you say is what I said.
In recap, Weis isn't a bad coach and he certainly isnt a great coach and has a lot to do to get to that point, if ever.
He most certainly has made the Domers feel better about the program and that is a turnaround.
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