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An article I read today said that the Cavs had tried out a few SG's after they cut Hamilton last week, but Luke Jackson has played well enough in the past few games that they are likely to resign Hamilton again and give Jackson the SG minutes. Now they just need to move Jackson, Newble, or Marshall into the starting lineup and move Jones back to the bench.
 
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I don't like the fact that Jones shoots too much.

BUT, It is never appropriate for fans to boo their own players. I have a strong opinion about this. I remember when Cleveland fans cheered when Couch got hurt, which I considered to be a far more disgusting display than when bottles were thrown on the field. Anyone remember that Troy Smith was booed this year? Heck, or even that Santonio Holmes and Ted Ginn were booed this year when they muffed a couple of punt returns? That is unacceptable behavior from a true fan, and Jones was absolutely correct to call the fans out on it.
 
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An article I read today said that the Cavs had tried out a few SG's after they cut Hamilton last week, but Luke Jackson has played well enough in the past few games that they are likely to resign Hamilton again and give Jackson the SG minutes. Now they just need to move Jackson, Newble, or Marshall into the starting lineup and move Jones back to the bench.

I would like to see Newble or Jackson in the starting lineup. I actually think it is kind of a blessing in disguise that Hughes went down b/c it is going to get guys like Jackson and Wilkes vaulable minutes that they are going to need to gain confidence and be ready for the playoffs.
 
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I would like to see Newble or Jackson in the starting lineup. I actually think it is kind of a blessing in disguise that Hughes went down b/c it is going to get guys like Jackson and Wilkes vaulable minutes that they are going to need to gain confidence and be ready for the playoffs.

That's true. This year the Cavs are going to make the playoffs with or without Hughes (although they will need him at his best to go anywhere in the playoffs), but if they can get a guy like Jackson playing up to his potential they will be a much harder out for anyone. Jackson playing at his best would allow the Cavs to get Lebron and Hughes a little more rest during games or even play all 3 together if Jackson gets his touch back from the 3 pt line. If Wild Thing can pick up the defensive mentality that they need out of him and Jackson starts to play up to his potential on both ends of the courts I think the Cavs will be able to make a run deep into the playoffs.
 
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That's true. This year the Cavs are going to make the playoffs with or without Hughes (although they will need him at his best to go anywhere in the playoffs), but if they can get a guy like Jackson playing up to his potential they will be a much harder out for anyone. Jackson playing at his best would allow the Cavs to get Lebron and Hughes a little more rest during games or even play all 3 together if Jackson gets his touch back from the 3 pt line. If Wild Thing can pick up the defensive mentality that they need out of him and Jackson starts to play up to his potential on both ends of the courts I think the Cavs will be able to make a run deep into the playoffs.

Now that is just a great assesment, and is exactally how I feel. If Hughes had been hurting all year, I can't imagine how well he can play with LBJ when he gets back, b/c his 3's should fall more often.

If Jackson starts to play this team will have 5 guys that can consistently knock down 3's in Jones, Marshall, Jackson, LBJ, and Hughes. That will be huge come playoff time, and then we have 5 guys that play tough defense in Hughes, Newble, Snow, Varejao, Wilks. Good combo if you ask me.
 
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1/11/06

Cavaliers struggle against Knicks heading into long road stretch

By Brian Windhorst

Beacon Journal sportswriter

<!-- begin body-content -->CLEVELAND - The bite hurts for a night, but it's the rash that causes the real problems.
And real problems, the Cavaliers do have.
They lost to the New York Knicks 92-84 on Tuesday, on its face one of those stub-your-toe defeats all teams choke down during the course of a season. In fact, the Cavs (20-12) have perhaps had more than their share at home, where four of their five losses have come to teams below .500 on the season.
The Knicks (11-21) didn't play like the doormats their record suggests -- after all it was their fourth consecutive win. But more on that later.
In the absence of Larry Hughes, the Cavs have abandoned a chunk of the style that spurred them to such a spirited start. The record since his departure is a respectable 2-2, but the evidence suggests a dangerous trend. One that, if not corrected, could spell doom as the Cavs play eight of their next nine games on the road.
With the exception of Damon Jones, the Cavs have played well enough on defense to stay in the games since Hughes departed. On offense, their once never-ending river of points has begun to dry up.
Without Hughes' drive-and-kick ability, the opposition has smartly camped on LeBron James. James has responded with some incredible performances, but like last year, individual greatness does not always save the day.
James had 36 points, seven rebounds and seven assists on Tuesday. It was his seventh consecutive game better than 30 points, a franchise record. He also has picked up at least seven rebounds and five assists in each of those games, something no one has done over seven games since Oscar Robertson in 1966.
In the fourth quarter, the Knicks swarmed James whenever he drove to the basket, holding him to four points. He was forced to give the ball up, which is what Knicks coach Larry Brown wanted. Often it was for a 3-pointer at the end of the shot clock, and the law of averages should tell you how that went.
The Cavs went just 4-of-20 from the floor in the fourth, scoring a season-low 12 points in the quarter. Half of those were 3-point tries. The team went seven and a half minutes without a basket in one stretch, as the Knicks went on a 15-1 run to clinch victory.
In all, the Cavs hoisted 28 3-pointers, making just six, and they shot just 37 percent overall. Before Hughes' injury, they averaged 102 points and took about 18 3-pointers a night. In the four games since his ability to spread the floor was lost, the Cavs have shot just 41 percent and heaved 26 3s per night. No surprise, they've averaged 16 fewer points per game.
``It's going to be tough to beat anybody when you take 28 3s. We have to do a better job,'' Cavs coach Mike Brown said. ``We were standing and watching, we had no movement; the shot clock ran down and we had to cast up a shot.''
It hasn't helped that their shooters have gone cold. Donyell Marshall had 15 points, but was 3-of-11 on 3-pointers. Jones was horrid again, going 1-of-5 on 3s. He's now 6-of-33 on them over his last seven games.
On defense, Jones was even worse. He was often burned by Jamal Crawford (26 points) again and again. Meanwhile, Stephon Marbury's 22 points and rookie Channing Frye's 16 showed the Cavs how team offense is supposed to work.
At the end, the Cavs pinned the loss on lack of focus and taking the Knicks too lightly, but the ship's been off course for four games and counting.
``We can't win ball games like that,'' James said. ``We can't beat anyone in the league doing that.''
 
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The Cavs looked like crap last night. If they are going to continue to play like this their 3 pt shooters better start hitting. I would be more in favor of them running an actual offense rather than give the ball to Lebron and let him throw up a bad shot. I think I only heard Luke Jackson's name once and never saw him in the game last night. Hopefully Mike Brown will realize that what he is doing now isn't working and he needs to make a change. Wild Thing should be back sometime in the next few games.
 
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It's almost come to the point where I'm not at all worried about playing inferior opponents at home - or even any opponents at home. It's the road games that I worry about.

In the Pantheon of "Things I Actually Said," this is near the top after last night's performance. It is entirely unacceptable for this team to be losing at home to the caliber of teams such as the Hawks, Rockets (w/Yao), and the Knicks. It just seems as if this team comes out flat against teams it should roll. You cannot overlook any team in this league, or you will lose. If we are out of the playoffs again this year by one game, they will look back on games like these.
 
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You're not going to beat anyone in this league when your starting guards play 70 minutes and only score 5 points on 2-11 shooting. At least Snow plays defense, gets a few assists and 3-4 boards. We expect that from him. We can have the second guard getting 3 points (again) and nothing else in 33 minutes. I don't mind seeing Jones keep shooting to get out of his 'slump' but try mixing in a drive or a 15 footer instead of putting up 85% of your shots as 3 pointers.

The experiment should now be over, Jones needs to go back to the bench and come in at the 6 minute mark like he was earlier. Maybe that will help him.

The Knicks shot like 5-20 in the first period last night, yet the Cavs only led by 3. That can't happen.

Channing Frye looked very good for the Knicks in the game.
 
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The experiment should now be over, Jones needs to go back to the bench and come in at the 6 minute mark like he was earlier. Maybe that will help him.

Jones has scored 3 pts in every game that he has started. That sounds like failure to me. The starting SG needs to score at least 10 points a game and be able to defend. In Jones' case that would be 12 since he only shoots 3's. It also looks like all he wants to do is shoot 3's until he gets hot again. At least when Marshall gets cold he tries to do something near the basket to heat himself up.
I don't know what the Cavs are going to do to slow down Kobe tomorrow. I don't think they have anyone who can defend well enough to cover Kobe. Hughes might be able to play better with one hand than Jones is doing right now. He might be able to score more with his left hand than Jones' 3 pts a game.
 
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Plus, Donyell grabs some boards.

Gooden had a couple of nice blocks and a steal as well, to go with his 14 pts and 12 boards.


Kobe can score 60 points if we keep Odom and the other players to single digits.

I have a feeling it may turn into the Kobe Vs LeBron show with each scoring the large part of their teams points. We just need to have Gooden, Z, Marshall and Snow (!) outscore the rest of the Lakers.
 
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pro players get paid to deal with it

This was the anonymous ding I recieved for my comment that Damon Jones should not have been booed by his own fans. Please don't be afraid to engage this discussion with me on the thread rather than anonymously somewhere else.

You don't boo your own players for two reasons, and neither of them has to do with whether the player "deserves" it because he's getting paid: 1) It has no positive effect on how the player is playing, especially if that player is shooting as poorly as DJones lately. 2) It shows to free agents out there and to one King Lebron James (who is friends with DJones) that the City of Cleveland is only behind their players when they are winning, but are quick to turn their back.

If you're a real fan, you don't boo your team's players. If you're a bandwagon, fairweather fan, you do. It's that simple. It's more egregious if you're booing an amateur such as a Bellisari or Troy Smith, but it's also ridiculous if they're a pro player for your team (unless, of course, we're talking about Terrell Owens or Ron Artest.)
 
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