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Cavs-Pistons Second Round Playoff Series

I hate Sheed. I think the Pistons could be breaking down as Hawg pointed out. I think if we come out and shut up Sheed tonite, we could be in a good spot for the rest of the series.

I stand by my original position.

http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24602&page=3&#34

The Pistons will be playing focused, they're pissed at themselves for turning the ball over 17 times. This game should be the best game of the series. If the Pistons win tonight, game 5 will be over by halftime.
 
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I stand by my original position.

http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24602&page=3&#34

The Pistons will be playing focused, they're pissed at themselves for turning the ball over 17 times. This game should be the best game of the series. If the Pistons win tonight, game 5 will be over by halftime.

I agree with your assessment. Game 4 is the whole series. The Cavs will roll over in Game 5 if they lose tonite.

But man, I want this game. If, for no other reason, than to shut Rashweed's mouth. I love watching this Pistons team, but one jerkoff player is enough to make me hope they don't win it all.

For what it's worth, I do see the Pistons coming out firing tonite. And I would be surprised if the Cavs kept it close.
 
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Lessons to be learned watching LeBron go all out


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CLEVELAND -- Kobe, this is how you lead a team.
You don't defer to the Bryant-ettes. You don't hide behind "the game plan." You don't enter a witness protection program, take just three second-half shots and score zero field goals in the last 24 minutes of a playoff elimination game.
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The numbers weren't his best, but some Cavs believe LeBron James played his best game Saturday.



Instead, you do what LeBron James did Saturday night in Game 3 of the Eastern Conference semifinals: You let the game come to you. And when it gets within arm's reach, you grab it hard by the earlobe, pull it close, and don't let go until it whimpers for mercy.
The Detroit Pistons aren't exactly whimpering, but they are in a little bit of playoff pain. They had a 2-0 series lead and a 10-point advantage midway through the third quarter of Saturday evening's game against the Cleveland Cavaliers at The Q. But that was before the anti-Kobe stuck a cocktail toothpick in the Pistons' plans for a sweep.
"He does things that most guys can't do," said the Pistons' Chauncey Billups.
If Bryant didn't see King James cut Detroit's series lead in half, then Los Angeles Lakers coach Phil Jackson ought to DHL him the game tape as soon as possible. James wrote a baller's how-to manual against the conference's -- and maybe the league's -- best team.
When the Pistons were up by those double digits, James didn't go into a funk (like Kobe did in Game 7 against the Phoenix Suns). He didn't pout (like Kobe did). He didn't play like he was on sedatives (like Kobe did).
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When the Lakers needed him to save their playoff lives, Kobe Bryant took his ball and went home.




He led. He inspired. He willed.
"Honestly, I think this is the best game he's played," said Cavs veteran Donyell Marshall.
LBJ has scored more, thrilled more and dazzled more. But good luck finding a game where James has meant more to the Cavs. He had 21 points, which is nice, but it's still 12 points less than his playoff average and 10 points off his regular-season average. But James also had 10 rebounds and 10 assists for his 10th career triple-double. (And did we mention the four steals and one blocked shot?) He did everything but tape his teammates' ankles.
The King and his Court beat the Pistons 86-77. ABC thought so much of the game that the network skip-passed it to ESPN, from prime time to late-afternoon -- informercial time. Can you blame it? Detroit was up 2-0 and favored by the Vegas smart guys to make it 3-0.
The schedule might have said otherwise, but this was an elimination game. Lose this one and the Cavs could start logging on to Orbitz for their vacation plans. You need to chug Holy Water to come back from an 0-3 series deficit, especially against the heartless Pistons, who have a history of stepping on opponents' throats as if they're cigarette butts.
But James wouldn't let Detroit grind its sneakers into the Cavs. He had only four points at halftime, but he already had five rebounds, seven assists, a steal, and a blocked shot. He was playing the kind of defense you see on instructional videos. And nobody on the floor played every second of every minute of the half as James did.
Kobe had 23 points in the first half of Game 7 against the Suns. The Lakers trailed by 15 -- not good, but not insurmountable. But rather than take control, Bryant stuck to some sort of game plan that apparently called for him to keep force-feeding his teammates. At least, that's what Bryant said after the Suns won by 31 and overcame a 3-1 series deficit.
It was a bogus excuse, the work of a great player having an on-court hissy fit. When the Bryant-ettes couldn't deliver, Kobe did nothing to help them. In essence, he gave up.
James didn't know it, but he delivered the perfect cross-country response to Kobe and the Lakers star's lame reasoning about sticking to "the game plan." Game plans change. They evolve. Sometimes they have to be dumped.
James knows this. Kobe doesn't.
"I don't plan what I'm going to do before the game," James said. "I just react to the game. I get doubled, I get a ball up. It's been my motto all year. It's been my motto all my life.
"But I seen some creases in the fourth quarter and I was able to attack it and give ourselves an opportunity to win the ballgame." LeBron scored 15 of his 21 points in the fourth.
James involved his teammates in Game 3. When he was double teamed -- which happened a lot -- he found the open man. Anderson Varejao (think Florida's Joakim Noah) had an unexpected 16 points, thanks in part to James' feeds off screen-and-rolls. Marshall chipped in nine points, including a run-out basket made possible by a James flip pass that somehow covered three-quarters of the court and dropped perfectly into Donyell's hands.
But in the second half, even after missing his first two jumpers ... even after the Pistons were a shot or two from blowing the game wide open ... James remained patient. And when the time was right, he overwhelmed the Pistons.
A jumper. A dunk that made my teeth rattle. A Raisinets-sweet feed to Varejao that put the Cavs ahead 63-62 with 7:22 remaining in the third quarter. A he-didn't-really-do-that-did-he? underhand scoop shot from the baseline. Another feed to Varejao. Another drive past Tayshaun Prince (who just happens to be a second team All-NBA Defensive Team selection) for a lay-in. And another. A stolen pass. A 3-pointer from the wing that stretched Cleveland's lead to seven points with 1:10 left to play. A skip pass to Damon Jones for a trey.
"I had to step up, and it wasn't by scoring," James said. "I didn't have one of my big offensive nights like I can have."
But he had a big night, which is why this series will live for at least five games, maybe longer. Game 4 is Monday evening. Kobe should watch. And learn.
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This is a good summary of why I laugh when people say that Kobe is the best player and MVP of the NBA.
 
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I agree with your assessment. Game 4 is the whole series. The Cavs will roll over in Game 5 if they lose tonite.

But man, I want this game. If, for no other reason, than to shut Rashweed's mouth. I love watching this Pistons team, but one jerkoff player is enough to make me hope they don't win it all.

For what it's worth, I do see the Pistons coming out firing tonite. And I would be surprised if the Cavs kept it close.

I really doubt the pistons run away with this one right out the gate. The cavs have finally figured out that they can hang with the pistons if they just play their game, and make sure to contest detroits shooters. They are getting stops and rebound in the last game and a half ... they just need to consistantly get points on the board.

Tonight is going to be a great game, but I think the cavs, and lebron especially, really feed off the excitement of the home crowd. Also, I like the cavs play when flip starts. I think he takes some of the heat off lebron, and for some reason when he's starting he just plays a more complete game. Hughes has just been too rusty to contribute the way he should, while flip was playing sharp the last couple months. Right now, I think the cavs are a better team with flip on the floor than hughes.

If Donyell gets hot tonight, this game is the cavs to take. If Z wakes up and scores a little better tonight, the game is the cavs to take. The cavs aren't afraid of the pistons when they play at home, and you can tell by their body language. They just need somebody to step up besides lebron ... or lebron to go completely nuts.
 
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I agree with the rest of the guys that tonight's game is the series. If Detroit wins, Sheed will be right and it will be over in Game 5. But, if Cleveland wins this series goes 6/7 games and makes a statement. It is all about believing. This team had no chance in game 1 due to the turnaround. Game 2 they figured it out. Game 3 they came through and game 4 is the key.

But about the game itself, Chauncey is trying to make himself believe that the Cavs weren't the reason they shot horrible. They are trying to say they stopped themselves. But he is wrong! LeBron played inspired on defense Saturday. The TEAM played better defense. They didn't have the wide open looks like in Game 1 & 2. And more importantly LeBron flipped the switch. He finally brought intensity to the defensive side of the ball. And god help the pistons when that happens on a consistant basis.

But the player that needs to step up is Z. Z started showing signs when he hit a couple of shots in the 3rd quarter and started the comeback. But is it his fault he was sitting the whole game? I want to see AV & Z in the lineup together. I think they can feed off each other and allow Z to be an option off the LeBron/AV pick and rolls.

Also, I would not be surprised if Damon Jones gets hot from outside. His stats prove that he turns up his game in the playoffs, now with getting more minutes he has that chance.

Dang... I need to find a way to get tickets for tonight!!!
 
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IMO the key to tonight's game will be the first half. If the Cavs can keep it close (<10 points down) in the first half I think they can out play the Pistons in the second half. If the Pistons want to win tonight they are going to have to come out strong and get up on the Cavs early or their bench is going to have to play a larger role. If the Pistons starters have to play pretty much the whole game again the Cavs are going to have the opportunity to make a run in the 4th quarter again. They've outscored the Pistons by an average of > 9 pts in the 4th quarter in the first 3 games. Lebron is young enough and in good enough shape to play the whole game, but the Pistons can't do that and be as productive at the end of the game. This is a critical game for the Cavs to show how much they have grown in the playoffs. Are they happy just getting a game from the Pistons, or do they think they can win the series?

I'm really looking forward to the offensive improvements that Varejao will make for next season. A rotation of Z, Marshall, and Varejao will be fun to watch. They will just need to pick up someone else who can defend the post similar to Ben Wallace for short bursts.
 
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I knew there would be venom after Sheed's quote. The thing is, this is nothing new. He does that. This is his third postseason with the Pistons, and now his fourth guarantee. After a frustrating loss it's like clockwork. Of course the Pistons are 3-0 in his last three predictions.

Credit to the Cavs. I knew they would pull out at least one at home, and probably 2. Yet the Pistons turned the ball over 17 times, and most were just stupid turnovers. They have the fewest turnovers per game in the NBA. The Pistons played poorly, and for some reason they are a terrible game 3 team (just the latest example, they got blown out by the lowly Bucks).

I look for the Pistons to play well tonight. If the Cavs can get the win tonight it would be huge. Then it is a series, and the Cavs can make a point they are on the same playing field as the Pistons.
 
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An interesting stat im stealing from Around the Horn:

Sheed averages 12 points a game after he guarantees a win.

Yeah, he never really plays that great, but the team picks him up. I'm a Pistons fan, and I hate when he does it. Yet the Pistons do seem to lose interest when they get up in a series. For some reason they always need motivation or a chip on their shoulder to play their best. The biggest stat is the team is 3-0. The rest of his team really take his guarantee as a challenge.

I'm not predicting a win. I called Pistons is 6, and I really thought the Cavs would hold serve in their first 2 home games. Then the Pistons win at home. After that the Pistons are almost lights out in close out games. They have only lost 1 in the last 3+ years. That was to SA in game 7 last year. I think they are 10-1.
 
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Every fucking team in the league gets a home court advantage except Cleveland.

What more can you fucking expect though. Cuban complains about the officiating and gets fined. Then the next game Dallas shoots 50 free throws, including 22 in the 4th quarter and they win by 1.
 
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