Cavs 08-09 Season - Central Div Champs (official thread)

[billmac91]

I agree with this. However, there's no way the Cavs are going to fire him the year before LeBron hits the market. That just sends all the wrong signals about the stability of the organization and the direction that it's heading in.

let's be serious......the coach is completely LeBron's call. If he didn't like Brown, he'd be out tomorrow. If Brown is somehow fired, which I haven't heard any rumors about, it just means LeBron wanted him out.

 

[NFBuck]

Completely agree, especially the bold. He's a great deffensive coordinator, little more. He never seems to get upset with how they play, but rather just gives the other team credit, a coach shouldn't accept losses, their job is to win. Bring back Fratello or pick up Jeff Van Gundy. I'm sure they could find some plays for crunch time other than "LeBron, make something happen." They would also help in his developement of his low post game and use of the pick. I bet they would be better with matchups, and rotations (that inconsistancy would piss me off as a player) as well.

Oh lord, could you imagine LeBron trying to play in that man's system? That would be like having a Ferrari and replacing it's engine with a 1986 Chevette's engine.

I agree with this. However, there's no way the Cavs are going to fire him the year before LeBron hits the market. That just sends all the wrong signals about the stability of the organization and the direction that it's heading in.

Yep.

let's be serious......the coach is completely LeBron's call. If he didn't like Brown, he'd be out tomorrow. If Brown is somehow fired, which I haven't heard any rumors about, it just means LeBron wanted him out.

Double Yep.

 

[OState29]

I agree with this. However, there's no way the Cavs are going to fire him the year before LeBron hits the market. That just sends all the wrong signals about the stability of the organization and the direction that it's heading in.

yup, you can't just fire the "COY"

 

[tsteele316]

What does Wallace's salary potentially do if he does retire? I'll admit to not being totally up on the salary cap rules...I was under the impression there was some wiggle room with him possibly taking a buyout/retirement. Maybe I was misinformed.


Agreed.


Which sucks because his offensive game really took a step forward in the post season IMO and energy guys like him are great to have.

cavs are $32 million over the cap. they will not have he cap room to sign any FA's outright. They have the MLE and Biennial exceptions, which amount to about $7.5 million they can use.

what they can do with Wallace is have him agree to a buyout amount, then trade him to a team looking to dump cap, then that team pays his buyout of the rumored $4 million, and thereby saves $10 million right off the bat. for this to work, they need to find a team with a guy that has a contract of roughly $14 million that wants out of town.

richard jefferson from the bucks is someone that would work.
if you want to get real crazy, wallace and sasha to phx for shaq would work. sasha's contract only has $1.5 million guranteed, so phx could dump overall $20 million in cap.

plus shaq is a FA after this season, so it wouldn't hurt cleveland's 2010 free agency.

 

[TresselstillownsTSUN]

Ariza he will be a FA this summer, and so will Odom. Most people close to the Lakers think that if they can only resign one it will be Ariza. But I wouldn't rule out LA native Ariza taking less to stay in his home town.

 

[exhawg]

cavs are $32 million over the cap. they will not have he cap room to sign any FA's outright. They have the MLE and Biennial exceptions, which amount to about $7.5 million they can use.

what they can do with Wallace is have him agree to a buyout amount, then trade him to a team looking to dump cap, then that team pays his buyout of the rumored $4 million, and thereby saves $10 million right off the bat. for this to work, they need to find a team with a guy that has a contract of roughly $14 million that wants out of town.

richard jefferson from the bucks is someone that would work.
if you want to get real crazy, wallace and sasha to phx for shaq would work. sasha's contract only has $1.5 million guranteed, so phx could dump overall $20 million in cap.

plus shaq is a FA after this season, so it wouldn't hurt cleveland's 2010 free agency.

That's what I'm thinking. Shaq for a year rather than Ben would be a huge upgrade and that is one guy that can out physical anyone for 20 minutes a game. Maybe throw in Jackson if the Suns need a big in return. If they pull that off there is a good chance that they can get another good player to take a pay cut for a year to play on that team.
I think they need to bring back Andy as long as it is less than 10 mil a year. I have no problem with 8-9 mil for 4 years I I think most teams are going to be sitting on money this year due to the economy and the guys available next summer. It would be great if Andy really does like playing in Cleveland and is willing to sign a deal for 8 a year. I wouldn't mind seeing them bring Joe Smith back for another year as long as he is willing to sign a 1 year deal. Boobie is a bargain and has a big upside off the bench so you don't do anything with him unless it gets you an All-Star in a trade. I do think they need to get Boobie and JJ in the summer leage because they both need work.
Another guy who's contract is up that would probably fit what the Cavs need is Odom, but he seems like a guy that will go for the most money outside of LA. I could see Lebron talking a guy like Kidd into coming to Cleveland for a year for the mid-level. A lineup of Kidd, Mo, Lebron, Andy, and Shaq might be a little soft on defense, but the points they would put up would be off the charts.
Besides an athletic big that can score and defend Howard the main position they need is a big guard that can defend and hit from deep to take the place of Pavs and Wally. If anyone is ever going to want to come to Cleveland it will be this year or next.

 

[Piney]

I give AV 8-9 or so...

Outside of Mo and LBJ he is the most important piece IMHO...He continues to develop that jump shot, he does all the dirty work, and I honestly think eventually he could end up playing alongside a guy like Bosh/another PF and be able to play at the C position, or if we go small with LBJ at the four...

I would like to upgrade and get an athletic 3/4 that can stretch the D, and put the ball on the floor...This would allow us to go athletic with Mo/West/athletic 3/4/LBJ/Andy...

We also need to find a way to get some bench scorers to where LBJ can afford to go to the bench for at least 8 minutes or so, and even in close games...and Mike Brown needs to use the end of 1st and 3rd quarters like Phil did with Jordan and does with Kobe...

That is if he is still here...Even after his coach of the year season I would still axe him...

Totally agree regarding AV. In this economy I doubt there will be a team that gives a limited offensive player over $10 mil a season. $8-$9 mil should get the deal done and not be a huge burden come 2010.

An athletic tall swingman is HUGE for this team. We need a 6'6 - 6'10 athletic guy that can play defense and knock down open shots. Easier said than done, but this guys is a HUGE need. Cuz he would let us be able to rest LBJ and then also allow us to matchup with a taller team like Orlando.

The scary part is we are so up against the cap that any moves will be hard to do.

That is until we got the Xmas in June present of Ben Wallace thinking of retiring. This is such a huge trading chip if he does want to retire. TSteele explained this perfectly. But with alot of cash strapped teams we can really steal some players that the Cavs sorely need. The trade that comes to mind for me is the cash strapped New Orleans Hornets. Tyson Chandler would be a nice piece and you can even try to get Posey as part of the deal.

This is just off the top of my head, but I am sure other teams will come to light that want to dump salaries and very good players becoming available.

 

[ArmyVet83]

Good day all. Currently, what is the salary cap at this time? I'm working on a deal or two that might help the team next year and keep Lebron in Cleveland. :)

 

[OH10]

Andy's agent also remembers how much it hurt this team during his holdout two years ago. He'll use that as a bargaining chip.

Look, we can't be held hostage by the poor man's Dennis Rodman. He's talented, but offensively limited and he was actually a defensive liability against the Magic. I'd take the guy in the 6-7 range, but beyond that, tell him to see what he can get in the open market. We should not budge on this.

As for a big trade, it's impossible to guess what will happen. Like last offseason in the deal for 'Mo, I'm sure Danny Ferry will pull off something we did not expect that will have a positive impact.

 

[ArmyVet83]

Good day all. Currently, what is the salary cap at this time? I'm working on a deal or two that might help the team next year and keep Lebron in Cleveland. :)

Answered my own question...it's in the 60 mil range. (Figuring the medium between the 08-09 and projecting for 09-10.)

 

[exhawg]

Good day all. Currently, what is the salary cap at this time? I'm working on a deal or two that might help the team next year and keep Lebron in Cleveland. :)

I use the ESPN trade Machine when I play with trades: NBA Trade Machine - ESPN
It makes sure that you stay within the rules. If the Ben Wallace buyout info is correct you can look to trade to a team looking to dump salary for pretty much nothing.

 

[LitlBuck]

cavs are $32 million over the cap. they will not have he cap room to sign any FA's outright. They have the MLE and Biennial exceptions, which amount to about $7.5 million they can use.

what they can do with Wallace is have him agree to a buyout amount, then trade him to a team looking to dump cap, then that team pays his buyout of the rumored $4 million, and thereby saves $10 million right off the bat. for this to work, they need to find a team with a guy that has a contract of roughly $14 million that wants out of town.

richard jefferson from the bucks is someone that would work.
if you want to get real crazy, wallace and sasha to phx for shaq would work. sasha's contract only has $1.5 million guranteed, so phx could dump overall $20 million in cap.

plus shaq is a FA after this season, so it wouldn't hurt cleveland's 2010 free agency.

Don't you keep on forgetting about Wally's contract? I thought that I read an article on Cleveland.com is the Cavaliers could get rid of Wallace, Sasha, AV, and Wally that with the MLE and the two biennials (really don't know what those are) that the Cavaliers would have about $30 million to play with. I think you know the article that I am talking about and would like to know where they are wrong with that article. Not questioning you but the article and when you have stated differ in the numbers or maybe I am misunderstanding the article.

 

[tsteele316]

Don't you keep on forgetting about Wally's contract? I thought that I read an article on Cleveland.com is the Cavaliers could get rid of Wallace, Sasha, AV, and Wally that with the MLE and the two biennials (really don't know what those are) that the Cavaliers would have about $30 million to play with. I think you know the article that I am talking about and would like to know where they are wrong with that article. Not questioning you but the article and when you have stated differ in the numbers or maybe I am misunderstanding the article.

HoopsHype - NBA Salaries - Cleveland Cavaliers

according to this, cleveland will be over the cap by $15 million if AV would take his current player option and cleveland would resign nobody. that leaves them with no cap room to use except what was noted above.

in 2010 they will have roughly $30 million in cap space.

what is forgotten is that the NBA's cap is a soft cap, which means teams can go over the cap limit if they simply pay the luxury tax, but that is limited to resigning your own free agents. so, even though the cavs are losing tons of contracts, they will still be over the cap. that means they can stay ove the cap to resign AV, but can't sign any other free agents.

 

[exhawg]

Don't you keep on forgetting about Wally's contract? I thought that I read an article on Cleveland.com is the Cavaliers could get rid of Wallace, Sasha, AV, and Wally that with the MLE and the two biennials (really don't know what those are) that the Cavaliers would have about $30 million to play with. I think you know the article that I am talking about and would like to know where they are wrong with that article. Not questioning you but the article and when you have stated differ in the numbers or maybe I am misunderstanding the article.

I'm pretty sure Pavs is under contract for another year as well. If they are going to make a bid addition this year it will likely be through a trade.

 

[LitlBuck]

I'm pretty sure Pavs is under contract for another year as well. If they are going to make a bid addition this year it will likely be through a trade.

According to the article then I read, he could be pretty easily moved to a team who wants to dump salary. He has signed for $4 million but as a buyout of $1.5 million.