Carl Jung/Jungian Psychology

[muffler dragon]

Opening a thread for sharing about Jung/Jungian Psychology. I've always been fascinated with Psychology, and this is one discipline that particularly intrigues me. I first came upon Jungian Psychology with Tool's Aenima album. The basis of this psychology (according to wiki) is:

Analytical psychology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The basic assumption is that the personal unconscious is a potent part ? probably the more active part ? of the normal human psyche. Reliable communication between the conscious and unconscious parts of the psyche is necessary for wholeness.
Also crucial is the belief that dreams show ideas, beliefs, and feelings of which individuals are not readily aware, but need to be, and that such material is expressed in a personalized vocabulary of visual metaphors. Things "known but unknown" are contained in the unconscious, and dreams are one of the main vehicles for the unconscious to express them.
Analytical psychology distinguishes between a personal and a collective unconscious. (see below)
The collective unconscious contains archetypes common to all human beings. That is, individuation may bring to surface symbols that do not relate to the life experiences of a single person. This content is more easily viewed as answers to the more fundamental questions of humanity: life, death, meaning, happiness, fear. Among these more spiritual concepts may arise and be integrated into the personality.

Anyone have anything to share on this consideration? I'm skimming the surface with my understanding of this. If there is any recommended reading for gaining a better knowledge of this Psychology; then I'd love to find out.

 

[SCBuck13]

I studied some Jung in school this year during our Philosophy unit. All I remember is some weird idea about a "collective unconcious." Now, I could not tell you what the hell it is but i apparently knew enough to get a 293/300 on the unit.

I do however know a lot about Francis Bacon, but the relation to Jung is minimal.

 

[Gatorubet]

I studied some Jung in school this year during our Philosophy unit. All I remember is some weird idea about a "collective unconcious." Now, I could not tell you what the hell it is but i apparently knew enough to get a 293/300 on the unit.

I do however know a lot about Francis Bacon, but the relation to Jung is minimal.

Mmmm Bacon!!

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I could get into this Jung:

 

[MaxBuck]

I'm sorry. I Kant discuss this.

 

[muffler dragon]

I studied some Jung in school this year during our Philosophy unit. All I remember is some weird idea about a "collective unconcious." Now, I could not tell you what the hell it is but i apparently knew enough to get a 293/300 on the unit.

I do however know a lot about Francis Bacon, but the relation to Jung is minimal.

Your constitution is weak!

Mmmm Bacon!!

Thanks for the contribution.

I could get into this Jung:

A tangent I can fully get behind!

I'm sorry. I Kant discuss this.

Psychology. Not Philosophy. Stick with the genre, Max!

 

[lvbuckeye]

lol. i vaguely remember Jung from my psych classes. i don't think i really bought into him. Maslow, Pavlov and that perv Freud left much bigger impressions...

 

[DontHateOState]

lol. i vaguely remember Jung from my psych classes. i don't think i really bought into him. Maslow, Pavlov and that perv Freud left much bigger impressions...

Jung improved on Freud's theories, and his ideas are much more accepted than Freud's today. Jung was one of the primary drivers of humanistic psychology. Notably, humanism's theory of anxiety comes from conflict between the real self and the ideal self.

I'm a big proponent of the Myers-Briggs personality test, which has been proven to be remarkably accurate for most people. Jung was the primary influence behind the development of this test.

If anyone would like to take it, it's here.

 

[muffler dragon]

lol. i vaguely remember Jung from my psych classes. i don't think i really bought into him. Maslow, Pavlov and that perv Freud left much bigger impressions...

I never took any Psych courses; however, the science has always fascinated me. After I started reading about Jung and Jungian psychology, I really became interested. Just happens to jive with me.

Jung improved on Freud's theories, and his ideas are much more accepted than Freud's today. Jung was one of the primary drivers of humanistic psychology. Notably, humanism's theory of anxiety comes from conflict between the real self and the ideal self.

Yeah... I've read this. I'm not quite certain where the distinction lies between the real/ideal or the conscious/subconscious. I intend on reading some of his books, but haven't done so yet.

I'm a big proponent of the Myers-Briggs personality test, which has been proven to be remarkably accurate for most people. Jung was the primary influence behind the development of this test.

If anyone would like to take it, it's here.

I'll take that in a second.

I've also read that Jung had tangential influence into Alcoholics Anonymous. Rather interesting.

I took the test, and I'm INTJ. Pretty much fit me to a "t". Not familiar with Keirsey, but the description fit extremely well there also.

 

[DontHateOState]

Yeah... I've read this. I'm not quite certain where the distinction lies between the real/ideal or the conscious/subconscious. I intend on reading some of his books, but haven't done so yet.

The base distinction between Freud and Jung lies in how much emphasis each placed in the Unconscious. Freud, it being his theory and all, viewed the Unconscious as the motivator of all unconscious and conscious acts. Jung was a Freudian psychologist, and a personal friend of Freud's, until his research led to very different conclusions than the ones Freud had cultivated. Jung placed much more emphasis on conscious awareness than Freud, who placed almost no thought in it.

Freud's theory of the Unconscious believed that all anxiety came from conflict between the Id, Ego, and Super Ego; the Id striving to act out it its desires and the Ego attempting to get away with whatever it could, while the Super Ego strove to balance out the restrictions of society and the pleasure seeking part of the brain.

Modern day psychology is broken into three classifications- Freudian, Humanistic, and Behavioral. Humanistic is by far the most popular in the psychiatric field.

I've also read that Jung had tangential influence into Alcoholics Anonymous. Rather interesting.

Perhaps more than tangential. Jung was very impressed by the effect conversion to Roman Catholicism had upon a few of his patients, and he advocated spiritual experimentation to a number of patients struggling with various addictions. This was pretty radical in the early world of psychology, which was predominantly atheistic.

 

[lvbuckeye]

Humanistic is by far the most popular in the psychiatric field.

psychiatry requires an MD. just sayin'...

i took the test. it said i'm ENTJ. fieldmarshall...

 

[muffler dragon]

The base distinction between Freud and Jung lies in how much emphasis each placed in the Unconscious. Freud, it being his theory and all, viewed the Unconscious as the motivator of all unconscious and conscious acts. Jung was a Freudian psychologist, and a personal friend of Freud's, until his research led to very different conclusions than the ones Freud had cultivated. Jung placed much more emphasis on conscious awareness than Freud, who placed almost no thought in it.

For clarification: "more emphasis on conscious awareness" of what?

Freud's theory of the Unconscious believed that all anxiety came from conflict between the Id, Ego, and Super Ego; the Id striving to act out it its desires and the Ego attempting to get away with whatever it could, while the Super Ego strove to balance out the restrictions of society and the pleasure seeking part of the brain.

Is there not as much conflict in Jungian psyschology? Or is it just different?

Modern day psychology is broken into three classifications- Freudian, Humanistic, and Behavioral. Humanistic is by far the most popular in the psychiatric field.

I believe I've inferred or read correctly that Jungian psychology is considered Humanistic. If that is the case; then woud you say that Jung has played a prominent role or minor?

Perhaps more than tangential. Jung was very impressed by the effect conversion to Roman Catholicism had upon a few of his patients, and he advocated spiritual experimentation to a number of patients struggling with various addictions. This was pretty radical in the early world of psychology, which was predominantly atheistic.

This is yet another aspect that has drawn me closer to Jungian thought. From what I have read so far, he seems open to almost anything. There are no areas "off-limits" and such.

 

[DontHateOState]

For clarification: "more emphasis on conscious awareness" of what?

Conscious awareness of self. Freud did not believe that personal choice influenced actions at all.

Is there not as much conflict in Jungian psyschology? Or is it just different?

Different. Jung's basis for internal conflict was conscious perception of self. Freud's was unconscious desires being sedated.

I believe I've inferred or read correctly that Jungian psychology is considered Humanistic. If that is the case; then woud you say that Jung has played a prominent role or minor?

Prominent. He was partially responsible for the movement away from pure Unconscious analysis- Rorschach tests and dream interpretations, etc.- and towards conscious discussion of a patient's problems. When Freud was discussing a patient's history, he was probing for Unconscious influences.

Another prominent developer of humanistic psychology was Karen Horney, who popularized the theory of self-actualization.

 

[Steve19]

Jung's work was located primarily in the psychodynamicist tradition. He was, however, open to some dimensions of personality (e.g., values and other cognitive dimensions) that were not given much prominence by Freud and other psychodynamic theorists. In that way, Jung did open the door to the possibility of a humanistic psychology, but I would attach much less importance to his role in humanism than DontHateOState.

Humanistic psychology emerged in the domain of cognitive psychology and was more influenced by Abraham Maslow and Carl Rogers, although theories such as George Kelly's (Ohio State) personal construct theory also deserve recognition.

If you are interested in psychology, then I would suggest that you begin with a good overview of the various theoretical traditions that have emerged over time (psychodynamicism, behaviorism, cognitive psychology, etc.). All of the theories have interesting implications about understanding people and why they act as they do.

If you take the Myers-Briggs test and don't like the result or feel that it is inaccurate, don't worry too much about it. Typologies are open to much criticism in psychology. As tests go, Myers-Briggs is among the best, but personality tests should not be over-interpreted as representing "deep truths". Myers urged that his test be used to identify hypotheses for further testing and verification rather than an infallible indicator of a behavioral type. It also may not give you the same answer in a few days time! Test-retest reliabilities typically are in the range of .50 to .80, meaning that if you take the test in a few days, you have a 50% to 80% chance of the same classification. Tests have shown that the Myers-Briggs test has reliabilities even lower but it generally falls in that bound.

 

[ghost of tibor]

I thought he was the guy "Blow" was about...