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Sorry, but this one fails on its face. Holbrook may be unlikable, but she is not stupid. Why would any manager who wants to make an unpopular change propose it in an employee meeting? She doesn't need band member permission for a change. This simply is not how you go about it.
Now does she want to make such a change? Perhaps, but if this report is the only evidence I am not buying it.
And whether it is true or not IS the point. Holbrook gets accused of trying to purposely wreck the University and its traditions.
She has tried to get control over an arguably out of control tail gating atmosphere after a riot or two got OSU on the natinoal news. I have heard all the arguments that drunk students were not the cause. Not the point. The point is that the person who runs the University wants a different picture painted than the one that is making the news. She takes action that she thinks will achieve that goal. That is not my definition of trying to ruin the University. It is just somebody doing their job as they see it.
As for raising tuition - don't think that is even her call. But regardless, if that reflects an ambition to destoy the school most University Presidents nationwide are out to do the same.
That a University President who takes actions that make it tough for students to get loaded on a Saturday night is unpopular is pretty predictable. That rumors should arise among those same students suggesting she does everything from torture chipmunks to worship satan is equally so.
Now does she want to make such a change? Perhaps, but if this report is the only evidence I am not buying it.
And whether it is true or not IS the point. Holbrook gets accused of trying to purposely wreck the University and its traditions.
She has tried to get control over an arguably out of control tail gating atmosphere after a riot or two got OSU on the natinoal news. I have heard all the arguments that drunk students were not the cause. Not the point. The point is that the person who runs the University wants a different picture painted than the one that is making the news. She takes action that she thinks will achieve that goal. That is not my definition of trying to ruin the University. It is just somebody doing their job as they see it.
As for raising tuition - don't think that is even her call. But regardless, if that reflects an ambition to destoy the school most University Presidents nationwide are out to do the same.
That a University President who takes actions that make it tough for students to get loaded on a Saturday night is unpopular is pretty predictable. That rumors should arise among those same students suggesting she does everything from torture chipmunks to worship satan is equally so.
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Misanthrope
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Well done.Oh8ch said:
I have to laugh whenever I hear drinking beer in a parking lot referred to as a university tradition. I would add that not only was she trying to get control, she received a directive from the legislature - the one that provides millions of taxpayer dollars to the school - to enforce open container laws on campus. And why not? Ohio Stadium IS public property, and like it or not, the laws apply there.
The mythology of Karen Holbrook has become the stuff of legend. The fact that it all began because she didn't think turning a blind eye to the law - in the name of getting shitfaced before kick off - was the right thing to do. And calling her "K-HO" is childish, not to mention disrespectful.
Get over the tailgating issue, already. She has a difficult job, and she's doing it pretty well. Apparently, I'm one of the few who read the interview of her in the Alumni magazine. She's trying to protect the image of the university - which is what tOSU is, first and foremost - even if it means some inconveniences to those who see it as a football team first, and a school second.
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crzykillernut
What is a Buckeye?
No, for the time being it isn't her call. But, to ensure that a Morril Land Grant State Institution is affordable for those seeking higher education within that state is. Ohio State is here to educate her sons and daughters. When tuition is continually rising, numerous other fees are piled on students, bookstores are bleeding students for 300+ dollars a quarter, there are more unintelligible TAs than english speaking ones, the majority of faculty are 'research faculty', and as a land-grant institution we are continually 'selectively downsizing' (read: raising admission standards) then I ask myself some questions. As the president of this University, she should most definitely be looking out for the welfare of students.Oh8ch said:
We can build brand new recreation centers and Unions to beat Michigans (good thing) but we can't provide adequate lighting in the offcampus student living area nor establish a campus police substation (bad: both things USG has lobbied K-HO for and she's shut down several times)?
We can have a 14:1 student faculty ratio (good), yet I've only had a handful of 'faculty' members actually teach my class (bad) ?
The Alumni can pump dinero into the coffers (good) but they can't grill out a hamburger or throw back a brew (bad)?
She wants to prevent riots(good), so she bans parking on game-day for 12th through chittenden, exacerbating an already frustrating parking situation (bad: so there's no parking on 12th.. Hows that helping? If people really want to flip cars they'll walk 1 street over to 13th) ?
She preaches diversity(good) yet continually raises admission standards which directly effects urban/suburban enrollment and retention (bad)?
She has overseen countless new buildings go up on campus (good, i'm all about it) but our resident halls which non-commuting frosh have to live in and many other upperclassmen live in lie outdated and in disrepair (bad)?
Students are forced to pay a $27 fee for city bus service, which a very large percentage of students never ride or only ride once or twice, providing millions to a floundering and filthy/unsafe bus line filled with crackheads and the homeless, as well as mandatory 76$ per quarter rec fees and other misc. expences (45$ student activity fee, etc) that a majority of students never utilize, in the face of the fleecing of students for text books and rising tuition costs (bad : ever heard of paying for a service if you use it, not just because K-HO mandates it).[font="][/font]
The fact is, rising tuition may not be in her hands. But, she has done nothing to combat it. The University should be publically lobbying to the Statehouse, use their clout and training to help the Student Govt' organize a student protest and make their voice heard to the legislature. They should work with the University Bookstore to establish rules which prevent the fleecing of students over textbooks (new editions every quarter my ASS). K-HO does -nothing- for the students. Whoever mentioned that she runs this University like a corporation and not a state educational institution FOR the students was DEAD ON.
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tibor75
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crzykillernut said:
So she should dumb down the student body, so that more minorities should enter? Yeah, that makes sense.
It's laughable how many OSU students can't stand her just because she doesn't allow them to be the drunk underachievers that they are.
The day that OSU is no longer together w/ MSU as the academic jokes of the Big 10 confefence will be a great day.
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crzykillernut
What is a Buckeye?
The purpose of a state funded University is to provide affordable education for all those who seek it. OSU is not Yale, and I balk at the thought that anyone would restrict admittance to someone because they did not grow up in a good financial or academic situation. I'm not going to turn this into a debate on the correlation of socioeconomic background to educational performance.tibor75 said:So she should dumb down the student body, so that more minorities should enter? Yeah, that makes sense.
It's laughable how many OSU students can't stand her just because she doesn't allow them to be the drunk underachievers that they are.
The day that OSU is no longer together w/ MSU as the academic jokes of the Big 10 confefence will be a great day.
I've never tailgated on lane or around the stadium. I've always tailgated at my off-campus house. So don't go there chico.
I work for the office of Admissions. OSU is by far not the academic joke of the big ten. We are the top public school in ohio, and consistently in the top 25/20 in the nation. We are not, however, a private school nor should we aspire to be one at the cost of those who are not as fortunate as others. All of the rankings and ACT averages and what not mean shit to me, if students who deserve an education at their state school cannot meet admission standards, simply because they were raised to stoke K-HO's hardon to be a research institution, and not an institution for public education.
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BuckeyeInTheBoro
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Did you do med school, undergrad, both or neither at OSU?tibor75 said:
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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
What you assert does not jive with the University's written policies, and a little research shows policies are in place to protect the rights of the University, the inventors and (in the case of outside sponsored research) contributions made by outside participating inventors.R0CK3TM4NN said:
In truth the written policies of the The Ohio State University on patent rights and license income distribution are generous when compared to general industry, they are equitable when contrasted with those in place at other institutions. Try getting half of the license income from an invention when you are in general industry -- good freaking luck.
Assignment of rights can be an eye-opener for those new to such a process, but the nub of what you state above should not by rule be happening at The Ohio State University.
Here is the relevant policy statement others concerning recognition of contributions to an invention are to be found at the OSU Office of Technology & Licensing (OTL).
Ergo, what you complain about is by rule not happening at The Ohio State University. If you find a situation being handled in a manner not consistent with OTL rules then you can go directly to them to appeal the matter. Because this deals with Patent rights your appeal can be at any time during the process of Patent Application, and through the entire life of the patent.
Ironically, what you complain about is completely normal at many other University / Learning Institutions -- or in general industry for that matter. For instance, one situation that arises elsewhere has the distribution of income resulting from licensing of an invention under the purview of the lead investigator (in academia - that's your advisor or group leader, typically Prof. status). The lead investigator (Professor) can either assign his portion of the licensing rights to a University's Research Foundation, keep all rights to himself, or at his discretion share the wealth with co-inventors on the patent. This type of distributive rights process is rife with problems and can lead to nepotism, favoritism and the exercise of greed. Such a policy was, at one time, in place at Penn State -- perhaps even to this day.
The policies at OTL (like that one above) are specifically designed to prevent inequitable license income distribution, others specifically address the need to correctly assert the contribution(s) of all co-inventors.
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crzykillernut
What is a Buckeye?
I don't know why I even care to defend this, but oh well.tibor75 said:
THE Ohio State University
HS Class Rank, Freshman (AU 2004)
Class Rank Number % of Total
Top 10% or higher 37%
Top 20% or higher 62%
Top 30% or higher 80%
Top 40% or higher 91%
Top 50% or higher 98%
ACT SAT % of Total
>=30 1340 20%
>=26 1180 57%
>=24 1090 80%
Average ACT AU04 = 25.6 ~ 26
These are 2004 stats. The academic plan shoots to have the act average at 27 by the year 2008.
Now for some comparisons by the Princeton Review for average incoming act scores for the Big X.
Math Verbal ACT
Northwestern University 701 680 30
University of Michigan 657 622 28
University of Illinois 660 613 27
University of Wisconsin 648 600 27
Ohio State University 584 575 26
Purdue University 584 550 25
University of Minnesota 611 588 25
Indiana University 554 542 24
Michigan State University 577 555 24
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University of Iowa NA NA NA
Penn State 617 593 NA
The numbers show OSU to be middle of the pack in the Big X. HOWEVER, one thing isn't taken into account -- enrollment sizes. The bigger the school, the more watered down the scores will be.
OSU VS other Big X (this number is how many MORE undergrads osu has then said school)
Northwestern - 30,000
Michigan - 12,000
Illinois - 9,000
Wisconsin - 8,000
Purdue - 7,000
Minnesota - 9,000
Michigan State - 5,000
Indiana - 10,000
Iowa - 17,000
Penn State - 3,000
Obviously, the larger the sample size the more watered down the average.
If you were to say, take the top 5000 students at Ohio State and compare them to the top 5000 students at any other Big X university, I would be confident in our ability to stack up equally to, if not outshine, their students. I wouldn't even balk at Northwestern.
The fact of the matter is, the top percent of OSU students are competitive with, if not better, than the top percent of students at any university. I've had this pounded into my head time and time again in Admissions. The difference is, OSU has many more students. Our middle and bottom %'s outnumber other university's middle and bottom % simply because of ratio.
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