Cam Newton (QB New England Patriots)

[jwinslow]

That's about three years faster than the Southern Cal investigation.

Personally, I think that Miles Brand's passing means there's a new sheriff in town; one who's more concerned about public perception re: amateur sports rather than doing what he could to ensure big television revenue.

Or they were faced with the haunting reality that the superconference league is a very real threat (and almost came to fruition this summer), particularly since they could leave the BCS & NCAA and form their own playoff and governing body.

The sudden emergence of ethics, accountability & actual investigations is not a coincidence. Gone are the days of dinging Alabama for selling textbooks when the real issue are their boosters buying prospects like Julio Jones for 6 figures.

 

[ScriptOhio]

I should've said that Auburn hasn't yet been proven to have offered Cam money. Other than that, though. Everything else seems pretty clear.

Neither Auburn, nor Cam Newton is the prime suspect in this mess.

You mean Auburn has not yet proven that they didn't offer Cam any money. Unfortunately with the NCAA (and news media) you are considered guilty until you prove yourself innocent.

 

[jwinslow]

Unfortunately with the NCAA (and news media) you are considered guilty until you prove yourself innocent.

Yeah, that's pretty much the opposite of how things work with the NCAA. Until very recently, there could be a half-dozen things linking you to the violation, but punishment usually only happened when someone else did the investigation and forced their hand (Yahoo, agents, fbi, etc)

The NCAA cleared Michigan twice. The feds were the one that brought them down.
The NCAA wasn't the one exposing the truth about USC in 06, that was Yahoo & a bitter predator like Lake.

 

[NateG]

Cam's track record isn't a squeaky clean one. I personally believe that there has to be some truth to the story. If he wouldn't have stolen computers he wouldn't have been in this position. I understand the basis of innocent til proven guilty, but history is usually a good test of one's true character. Where there is smoke there is usually fire.

 

[SloopyHangOn]

Cam's track record isn't a squeaky clean one. I personally believe that there has to be some truth to the story. If he wouldn't have stolen computers he wouldn't have been in this position. I understand the basis of innocent til proven guilty, but history is usually a good test of one's true character. Where there is smoke there is usually fire.

He didn't steal a laptop, he purchased a stolen one.

 

[buckeyesin07]

I'm kind of surprised that Chizik came out and spoke so definitively. If he has all the facts, that's good; if he doesn't, those words could come back to really haunt him.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I've only half been paying attention to the story, but I have to ask - what the hell is Newton doing with an "agent" of any type? I guess what I'm asking is this - I get how athletes have handlers of some kind - whether it's a parent or a high school coach - but in no event are those handlers allowed to get compensation from schools for "delivering" the recruit.

If the party who made the $200,000.00 remark is someone virtually unrelated to Newton (ie family or coach) one has to wonder what exactly is the relationship between Newton and the handler. In other words, what benefit is there for some 3rd party to "negotiate" Newton's recruitment to this school or that?

That part doesn't make sense to me. Although, again, I've been paying only slight attention to this story since it broke.

 

[BB73]

He didn't steal a laptop, he purchased a stolen one.

That assumes he's telling the truth about it. I haven't seen that story corroborated by anybody else, such as the guy that allegedly sold it to him.

 

[BB73]

I've only half been paying attention to the story, but I have to ask - what the hell is Newton doing with an "agent" of any type? I guess what I'm asking is this - I get how athletes have handlers of some kind - whether it's a parent or a high school coach - but in no event are those handlers allowed to get compensation from schools for "delivering" the recruit.

If the party who made the $200,000.00 remark is someone virtually unrelated to Newton (ie family or coach) one has to wonder what exactly is the relationship between Newton and the handler. In other words, what benefit is there for some 3rd party to "negotiate" Newton's recruitment to this school or that?

That part doesn't make sense to me. Although, again, I've been paying only slight attention to this story since it broke.

I believe that Cam and his father have said that they never had any contact with Rogers, the ex-Miss St player that told Bond (ex-Miss St QB) that it would take 180K to get Newton. Bond reported what the other guy told him, and Miss St forwarded the info to the SEC, and then the NCAA received it.

Why Rogers would act like he could deliver Newton, if he hadn't been dealing with him, is something he NCAA must be asking about right now.

Link

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I believe that Cam and his father have said that they never had any contact with Rogers, the ex-Miss St player that told Bond (ex-Miss St QB) that it would take 180K to get Newton. Bond reported what the other guy told him, and Miss St forwarded the info to the SEC, and then the NCAA received it.

Why Rogers would act like he could deliver Newton, if he hadn't been dealing with him, is something he NCAA must be asking about right now.

Link

Thanks for the link. Yeah, I don't get why Rogers would act like he could deliver Newton unless he is the truest of con men. (Incidentally, if you give me 180,000.00 I will give you my interest in the Chicago Bears). I suppose it's possible, but it seems rather unlikely to me.

Leaving the more Newton/Auburn specific question - if it would take 180,000 to get Newton to Mississippi State, and Newton signed with Auburn, isn't it implied then that Auburn paid something less than 180? That is speculation, of course, but I think a fair question considering the circumstances. Frankly, I hope Newton is truly clean here. Fact is, he has had a great season to this point and it would be a travesty if he did not win the Heisman based upon the ramblings of Rogers (assuming he truly could not deliver Newton and was trying to profit without any hope of being able to deliver) Seems unlikely, though, in my opinion. Plausible, I guess.. That may be enough, frankly.

 

[TJnTN]

He didn't steal a laptop, he purchased a stolen one.

he did know it was hot though.....otherwise why does he chuck it out the car window when the cops pull him over?

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

he did know it was hot though.....otherwise why does he chuck it out the car window when the cops pull him over?

Come on.... when was the last time you were pulled over and you didn't start chucking your belongings out the window?

 

[BB73]

he did know it was hot though.....otherwise why does he chuck it out the car window when the cops pull him over?

He says he bought it for $120 from a guy that sold electronics and/or clothes out of the back of a car. Even if that's true, he had to know that's pretty shaky.

I believe it was tossed out his dorm window after the cops visited him and saw that it was probably the laptop they were looking for. They left and said they'd be back, and he panicked. It was found behind a dumpster.

SI.com

 

[jwinslow]

Whether Rogers is telling the truth or not, he knows that his claim will get a lot of attention since this is a common practice in the SEC. Every major program has overzealous boosters, but the handlers and bidding is much more rampant in the South. It is also an unspoken rule that you don't point fingers about cheating, which is why Tennessee's last two coaches drew so much ire for their accusations.

If this goes through and cripples Auburn & Newton, it will be interesting to see if Auburn folks start pointing fingers too (Julio Jones among many others, and I don't mean the fishing trip).

South Carolina didn't land the nation's best tailback because of the wonderful 6 loss seasons Spurrier turns in.

 

[jwinslow]

Case in point, a real piece of work with ties to Malzahn:

Walt Williams, Street agent/promoter, Screwing Kids Over , etc

and I have no clue how Pinnacle Preps can offer "p to a $200,000 'financial reward' in the way of financial assistance to pay for university tuition, books, and fees," when their clients are only paying, at the most, $3,000 for the five star package ($2,500 base fee + $500 video production fee). Unless the complaint is just poorly worded and Pinnacle Preps promised to help the kids land a scholarship worth up to $200,000 in assistance from the university they sign with?

Who is Walt Williams?

He runs a company that "promotes" high school athletes to colleges in hopes of landing them scholarships. He played for Gus Malzahn when he was in high school. He claims to have been a football badass but, in fact, wasn't.

He has publicly blasted Arkansas fans and Petrino via various fan boards (hogville, rivals). He claims to be an unbiased adviser. He's also publicly stated his allegiances to Gus.

He's an agent.

Was Dyer a Walt Williams client?

Yes

Then the transcript of the slimeball's "apology"

I skipped most of the nonsense, but included a few snippets

I have seen many questions and or comments surrounding the photo with myself and several recruits with Coach Malzahn. Contrary to what some have said and stated as fact this photo was taken at Auburn on a Junior Day event that I attended to see Coach Malzahn and longtime friend Rhett Lashlee in their new jobs at Auburn. It was taken in the game day locker room under Jordan-Hare Stadium during the tour of the facilities and was a spur of the moment thing. We have a similar picture when I took a trip with Kiehl to Notre Dame along with several others to see them play USC.

Much has also been made about my “steering” of players to schools. This insinuates a real lack of intelligence on the part of the parents and athletes I am dealing with. Many are very bright kids and most of the parents are very intelligent and accomplished people who would laugh at me if I told their kid they had to go to school at a certain place. There has also been talk about my brother’s post on Dakota Mosley’s wall telling him to go to Auburn. My brother was born and raised here in NWA and was simply joking around with Dakota. He is in fact one of the biggest Razorback fans in our entire family.

Too bad this infamous photo surfaced after his verbal

Here's a picture of Michael Dyer's best friend Dakota Mosely directly following his recruitment by Auburn. I just feel like it's pertinent.

Like I said before, no school is innocent in major CFB, but it is a lot more blatant down south.