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Calling Time Outs

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Leave it as is. The practice sucks, but attempting to outlaw it is only going to have undesired side effects. Teams will find ways to respond, such as by faking the opposing coach into calling a TO by giving out fake hike signals. Now, I would support a rule saying that you can't call more than one timeout in a row in a kicking situation.
 
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buckeyefool;945881; said:
You are right it is their job to get 11 on the field, and they have every right to call a time out before the snap, even if it is a split second before the snap, for what ever reason they want to.
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I'm not saying that they don't have the right to do that. I'm saying that they SHOULDN'T have the right.

If the only reason for not making a change is because a team can't count to eleven before the kicking team gets set, then I'm not convinced that a change shouldn't be strongly considered.
 
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jlb1705;946100; said:
I'm not saying that they don't have the right to do that. I'm saying that they SHOULDN'T have the right.

If the only reason for not making a change is because a team can't count to eleven before the kicking team gets set, then I'm not convinced that a change shouldn't be strongly considered.
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What if a coach gets a last-second message from his assistant upstairs that they should challenge the last play? Or that they need more time to consider challenging the play?
 
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methomps;946102; said:
What if a coach gets a last-second message from his assistant upstairs that they should challenge the last play? Or that they need more time to consider challenging the play?
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Inside of the last two minutes a team can't initiate a challenge anyway, and if you're trying to ice a kicker outside of two minutes left then you'd be a dumbass for not saving those timeouts for your ensuing possession. As far as allowing time for the booth to initiate a review goes, I have a hard time seeing a team rushing their kick team to prevent a replay, because a kick in those circumstances is much more difficult to make.
 
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I don't understand. Do some of you think that there should be a deadline to call a timeout? Whats that deadline? When the kicker is "ready?" When the offense is "set?" If that's the case, who decides when the kicker is "ready" or the offense is "set?"

Right now, the rule is very black-and-white. There is no room for interpretation. If the ball hasn't been snapped, you can call your time-out. If the ball has been snapped, you can't call it. And if you want to say that the rule should be changed so that a coach cannot call a time-out, then fine. They'll just get a player on the field to call it, and that won't "fix" anything.

And none of these kickers needed to make two field goals. They each needed to make only one: the one that didn't have a time-out called right before the play started. Time outs are part of the game. Whining about the time-outs are not.
 
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Zurp;946189; said:
I don't understand. Do some of you think that there should be a deadline to call a timeout? Whats that deadline? When the kicker is "ready?" When the offense is "set?" If that's the case, who decides when the kicker is "ready" or the offense is "set?"
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They make that determination on every play already. They couldn't determine when an illegal shift penalty is appropriate without making a determination on whether players are "set" first.

Zurp;946189; said:
Right now, the rule is very black-and-white. There is no room for interpretation. If the ball hasn't been snapped, you can call your time-out. If the ball has been snapped, you can't call it.
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That's the best argument I've heard so far.

Zurp;946189; said:
And if you want to say that the rule should be changed so that a coach cannot call a time-out, then fine. They'll just get a player on the field to call it, and that won't "fix" anything.
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Before coaches could call the timeouts they iced the kicker, but I don't recall anything quite like what's happening now taking place then, where it was done to make the kicker attempt the kick twice rather than just making him think about it. You're right though, I'm not sure it would fix anything to make players call the timeouts because then you'd have a safety tagging along beside an official to make the timeout call just like coaches are doing now.
 
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There's icing the kicker and then there's the new trend of having a play go through only to have it not count. It's cheap in my opinion, but I don't know how you're supposed to police it.

I can't wait for the time where a kicker misses the first one and then makes the second. That coach will have what's coming to him.
 
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I would like to see a split screen of Meyer calling the timeout, and the first snap. On a replay I saw, he was wathcing the flight of the ball very shortly after he said something to the ref. It should take more than a second from the snap to the ball getting kicked, so I'm questioning whether he actually called it in time.

One way for the practice to be discouraged is for a ref to say "Sorry, you were too late" when a guy tries to time it so that the kicker actually hits a ball that won't count. Of course, the kick needs to be good for the coach to really care.
 
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OH10;946231; said:
There's icing the kicker and then there's the new trend of having a play go through only to have it not count. It's cheap in my opinion, but I don't know how you're supposed to police it.

I can't wait for the time where a kicker misses the first one and then makes the second. That coach will have what's coming to him.
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Or, in a tie game, the defense blocks it and returns it for a game winning TD that doesn't count...
 
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My prediction: This practice will continue until a coach blames Conference X's officials for a little home cookin'. For example, say Bob Stoops does this at a Pac 10 stadium in a game with Pac 10 officials. Stoops calls TO, the kick gets off, it's good, and the Pac 10 official says, 'Sorry, you didn't get the TO called in time.' The Sooners lose, the fans go nuts, the AD and school president start writing angry letters. You know the drill.

It'll be something like that, but eventually the rule will get 'fixed' (if you think it's broken, that is).

Whatever the scenario, I'm 110% certain a Pac 10 official will be involved. :sneaky:
 
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Maybe the referee who hears the timeout called, if it's close to the snap of the ball, he shouldn't blow the whistle, yet. The play should go through, and then they should review to see whether a timeout was called before the snap.

But I don't really like this idea, either. All we need is a field full of cheering fans, thinking their team just won, and a referee trying to announce that the play is under review for whether the timeout was actually called.
 
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