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Calling Time Outs

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My biggest concern is the possible influence of name coaches on referees and that effect on game outcome.
That may be OK in the anything goes SEC, but I don't want that becoming the norm in NCAA athletics.
I'm sure it has been going on for years on some level(Penn State when they played at home as a independent?)had a reputation for home cookin'.
I get queasy seeing a coach standing with his hand on an official.
 
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jwinslow;946411; said:
Again, how do you think the coach calls a timeout < 5 seconds before kicking the FG? Usually he has the coach right beside him... hand on shoulder or not.
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Aren't there rules about physical contact between coaches and officials?
It's one thing standing next to an official. It's another having a hold on him or chasing him down the field.
I'm just sayin'...................................
 
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Well... there is a timing isue here, obviously... and.. the defending team sort of has the advantage... and... too bad.... but... that's how it goes.

Keep a few things in mind... and the advantage can go either way... and obviously it benefits the D by making them do it twice.

First, in addition to the "10 player scenario" mentioned above, they've earned the right to use that timeout to see what the protection looks like and possibly get a better plan to block the kick.(See Raiders/Browns)(Of course, the kicking team might only have 10, too, and you just did them a favor)

Second, one thing that I think might come of this is that kicking teams are going to start "quick snapping" so as to get the play started before the TO gets called... I'd have to know my kicker pretty well before I did that... and... you'd have to practice it... but... I think its a little chess match that might make special teams more fun. :lol: (As if they need to be more fun in college)

On the other hand....

Timeouts are a precious commodity... so... lets say there are 45 or 50 seconds left and the Defending team uses their last one to mess the kicker up even though they could have a chance to answer... I'm sure the kicking tema would not mind that.

And... finally... the great equalizer... it seems that this little tactic will continue... and... it won't be long before the kicker misses the first one on which the TO was called... then lines back up and drills it...

Who here wouldn't have been greatly amused by the look on Meyer's face if the kid from Auburn had duck hooked the first one and made the second.
 
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Even if he doesn't touch him, that doesn't change anything about the practice of getting a ref ready to call a TO. Do you have a problem with Tuberville standing beside a ref to stop the clock as soon as it hits 5 seconds? I sure don't.

There's no need to chase the ref. He's standing right there, Taos.

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Zurp;946189; said:
I don't understand. Do some of you think that there should be a deadline to call a timeout? Whats that deadline? When the kicker is "ready?" When the offense is "set?" If that's the case, who decides when the kicker is "ready" or the offense is "set?"
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Yep, take the time out call away from the coach and put it where it belongs, on the shoulders of the defensive captain. Put responsibility back into the hands of the players.
 
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Dryden;946241; said:
My prediction: This practice will continue until a coach blames Conference X's officials for a little home cookin'. For example, say Bob Stoops does this at a Pac 10 stadium in a game with Pac 10 officials. Stoops calls TO, the kick gets off, it's good, and the Pac 10 official says, 'Sorry, you didn't get the TO called in time.' The Sooners lose, the fans go nuts, the AD and school president start writing angry letters. You know the drill.

It'll be something like that, but eventually the rule will get 'fixed' (if you think it's broken, that is).

Whatever the scenario, I'm 110% certain a Pac 10 official will be involved. :sneaky:
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1. I don't think Bob Stoops will ever permit his team to play a game in a Pac 10 Stadium with PAC 10 officials again.

2. Praise be to Bob Schembachler for getting rid of PAC 10 officials at the Rose Bowl. Unfortunately the Big East refs who replaced them aren't much better.
 
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The rule change should be simple....when the coach says "hey Mr. Referee, I'm going to call a timeout here in about 10 seconds, be ready"... the ref should blow his whistle and call the timeout. As soon as the words time out come out of his mouth it should be called. If the QB is running the clock down to get his kicking team on the field for the last play, he stands next to the ref and when it gets to about 3 seconds he signals for a timeout.

I didn't see Urban Meyer call timeout on Saturday, I saw him call an "okay now". WTF is that?
 
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The way I see it is there is nothing against this practice now (waiting til the last second to call a timeout) but I do see something changing in the future if / when we see something bad happen because of it.

It was mentioned earlier, but the first time someone gets injured because of a play that never happened we will see this change. Say that defense goes all out to block that kick and one of the defenders hurls himself into the kicker and breaks the kickers leg, NCAA will look at it and say there is no way we can allow something like this to happen. Injuries happen all the time in plays that are going to count, they cannot afford to let them happen in plays that are blown dead so close to the snap that it cannot be stopped.

Someone else mentioned the fans storming the field. There is already a rule? (maybe not a rule but a guideline and fine) against it. That does not stop it though. When emotions are running high a "fan-atic" is not going to accept the fact that timeout was called .08 seconds before the snap.

I think it is already to the disgression of the officials if a timeout is called in time or not. I think what we have seen that last few weeks is the coach telling the official that he plans to call his timeout but wait til he gives the go for it. If that is the case the officials are put in a tough spot and it is not a spot they should be placed in. Knowing the coach wants a timeout and having to pay more attention to the coach than the game is a bad bad thing.

All that said, I rarely take joy watching ranked teams go down in a trap game, I rather like seeing the big games mean something. However, after seeing that happen and that freshman kicker having to kick it again, I was happy to see that kid but it to Meyer and even give the "Gater chop" to the home fans!

Good stuff.
 
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Pheasant;946519; said:
The rule change should be simple....when the coach says "hey Mr. Referee, I'm going to call a timeout here in about 10 seconds, be ready"... the ref should blow his whistle and call the timeout. As soon as the words time out come out of his mouth it should be called. If the QB is running the clock down to get his kicking team on the field for the last play, he stands next to the ref and when it gets to about 3 seconds he signals for a timeout.

I didn't see Urban Meyer call timeout on Saturday, I saw him call an "okay now". WTF is that?
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I like this idea. Or say that the time-out is officially called when, and only when, the "time-out" signal is called (forming a "T" with your hands).

I also like the idea of players only calling the time-outs. Or is it times-out? But I don't think this will "fix" the issue. A player on the field can just as easily be standing next to an official and call a time-out right before the snap.

Other than those two changes, I don't think I like any other ideas I've heard. Time-outs are part of the game. Coaches and players use them to their advantage. If it's to their advantage to "ice" the opposing team's kicker, then go for it.
 
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In this article Colorado's Dan Hawkins mentions this as a possible way to change the rule. If they think they need to do something for safety's sake, at least it's a tangible method. I think anything based on how many seconds are on the game clock or play clock would be BS.

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"That might be something for us to look at," Hawkins said. "Maybe it could be prohibited once the snapper gets his hands on the ball."
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I agree with Taos that the coach should not be touching the ref on the sideline. If I were the sideline ref, I'd say "Coach Meyer, take your hands off of me - if you touch me again, it will cost your team 15 yards." But I'm a prick.
 
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So then teams just have their snapper get set well before necessary. I don't really buy the injury aspect. If the FG play is so dangerous that we can only tolerate 6 a game (not 7), then that itself is a problem.
 
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