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Jax, the BIG-10 did have the best record in 2002.

And the Pac-10 is 1-2. Oregon State nailed ND.

Complete conference records this year are on a thread that I have that just slipped to page 2. If someone posts on that thread, it'll come back to page 1. I'll update it after each game over the next few days.
 
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I think it is tough for us as B10 fans to evaluate other conferences like the Big XII and PAC 10. Every week we watch the hardest hitting, hardest running, best coached teams play each other in great venues. And the same can be said for the SEC and they are probably a better football conference from top to bottom.

Realistically, the PAC 10 and Big XII are second tier conferences with second tier coaching, mild tradition, average rivalries and average venues. However, sometimes a team like OU and USC will emerge as a powerful team. And rightfully can be declared powerful by running the table in their average conferences. However, with a playoff system I doubt these teams would be able to stand up because they don't normally have all the pieces: coaching, history, schemes, chemistry, etc. See OU last year in the B12 championship.

Now, just because a team like Cal plays in one of these second tier conferences and plays USC hard does not make them a real contender...see Kansas St last year. What an ass whooping we laid on them.

And BTW, I think we will all walk away from this year's NC game "knowing" that Auburn should have been playing that game.
 
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BuckeyeBill73 said:
Jax, the BIG-10 did have the best record in 2002.

And the Pac-10 is 1-2. Oregon State nailed ND.

Complete conference records this year are on a thread that I have that just slipped to page 2. If someone posts on that thread, it'll come back to page 1. I'll update it after each game over the next few days.
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I was so focused on ND getting drilled yet again I forgot it was a Pac 10 team that did it!!

Thanks for keeping the running total, I'm glad someone did.

Through last nights games here are a couple of other factoids you might find usefull when dealing with other conf posters:

1998-2004 Neutral Site (Bowl) game records B10 vs

B12: 6-4
SEC: 8-8

Sorry to hijack the thread but I don't take that "B10 is weak" shit very well.
 
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No, I just wanted to distract you long enough for me to figure out what reason (if any) you used to equate Rodgers with Timmy Chang and Cal's schedule with that of a mid-major. Rodgers is an easy 1st rounder (probably the 1st or 2nd QB taken). And please, most rankings I've seen have Cal's schedule at least on par with most of the top 15.
 
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methomps, I don't really have anything of value you to say here except that on a whim I checked the properties of the image in your signature and went to the site you're referencing it from and found these images.

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I think this pretty much shows who has the breast team in college football

I mean who could ass for more
 
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Also higher than VaTech and Michigan.

Massey (BCS computer) has Cal's schedule 9th overall (ahead of Oklahoma, Auburn, Texas, VaTech, Louisville, and Boise among top 10 teams)

Sagarin (BCS computer) has Cal's schedule 16th overall (ahead of every top10 team but Miami)

KSB, feel free to post more of those substanceless (word?) posts whenever you feel like
 
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Regarding Cal's SOS, I'm getting kind of sick of the argument that they play no one. It's easy to say that about any team, any year, so it seems. I think there is some veracity in the SOS argument, but it's getting kind of old saying a team that plays in one of the major conf (and I can't decide if that means to include or exclude the big yeast) plays a weak sched.

Would you say playing Indiana, Penn State, Michigan State and Illinois is more difficult than playing Vandy, Miss St., Ole Miss, Kentucky? How about the bottom feeder in the Big XII.... I don't know. Seems to me these are the same teams, really. Every conference has dogs, and you HAVE to play them because they are Conf. foes.

Is the Pac 10 weak comparative to others? Sure. But not so much so that people should be saying it's a mid major Conf.

In my opinion, if you want to evaluate a team's SOS, look at their OOC schedule. Not only WHO they play but WHERE they play. The SEC teams NEVER leave home. ACC teams, and Big XII team load up on I-AA squads. That is where you notice ... what.. stat padding and intentional weak scheduling.

Finally, someone said something about Cal crushing weak teams. What the hell else are they supposed to do? This is why I was disappointed they took Marging of Victory out of the BCS but left SOS in (back a couple years ago). If you play the # 116 team in the nation SOS-wise and beat them by 70, you shouldn't be faulted for it. If you are supposed to crush an opponant, and you do, I just don't see how that's supposed to HURT your reputation nationally.
 
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Wow, that would put them ahead of the same number of Big10 teams. Are you going to start raving about the Big10 being a mid-major?

No. But considering that that the Pac-10's (arguably) best team just got bitch-slapped on national TV by a mediocre Big XII team, I can easily make the case that your conference is pretty damn hapless.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
Finally, someone said something about Cal crushing weak teams. What the hell else are they supposed to do? This is why I was disappointed they took Marging of Victory out of the BCS but left SOS in (back a couple years ago). If you play the # 116 team in the nation SOS-wise and beat them by 70, you shouldn't be faulted for it. If you are supposed to crush an opponant, and you do, I just don't see how that's supposed to HURT your reputation nationally.
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Margin of Victory was not a good stat for the BCS IMHO. The final score of the game is usually not indicative of how a team performs. OSU for instance often shuts it down when we get up big (see SCUM game or Alamo bowl). Where as teams like Florida used to continue to play their starters when they were up by 40 pts so they could win by 70. You don't need to win by 35 points to show dominance of a team. The problem comes in that voters look at scores, and they don't watch the games, so their opinions are often scewed to what SportsCenter shows.
 
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It's like this...Another useless thread. Pac 10 defenders are ALWAYS going to be just that. If all the bowl games the pac 10 teams were in were lost by 70 they would have an excuse. It's been that way all year long. Everyone thinks what they want,and that's never going to change. I don't see the big 10 schools in the bowls through scarlet and gray...Some people can't grasp the concept even if it's right there for the taking.


With cal losing it brings up one point. What if Usc loses? Everyone's arguement for the pac 10 just went to shit. It's already in the toilet with shit paper on top of it..One big flush and I'm betting the excuses will start flying.

There is no reason for me to defend a team I could give a shit less if they existed. It's the same song and dance in every thread. Either you think the pac 10 is shit or you think that usc is the next jesus christ..All year long i've bitched about how weak the pac 10 is...and it's oh no look at this schedule its blah blah ranked that is sooooo much better then any team other then a team in the pac.

When it's proven that the pac 10 is a joke the only thing people have left to cling on is usc...If they got beat by 70 it would be because somebody was hurt...Petey got a blowjob from a cheerleader and couldnt think right and someone on oklahoma gave reggie bush a laxative before the game,and leinart's mirror broke before the game so he couldn't comb his hair right.

I personally could give a shit less who wins that game. I have seen all I want to see or care about after the alamo bowl.
 
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