C Greg Oden (All B1G, All-American, Defensive Player of the Year, Butler Assistant Coach)

[OHSportsFan]

Wait....this was in print? Not just some internet hack "journalist"? Can we say done deal?

yes, in print. In Indy's leading paper. On the front page (not just sports front page...but the whole paper). :):gobucks3::gobucks4:

 

[BB73]

Shoot me later if someone already posted this (I haven't read the previous pages on this thread), but Oden's going NBA. There's an excemption in the latest CBA that says a kid doesn't have to wait for the 19 year age limit if he's one of the first 14 picks. He aint going to college.

Sloop, where's the source for this so-called exemption? (And pardon me for dropping the 'c' you apparently fat-fingered).

 

[3yardsandacloud]

1460 The Fan just completed an interview with the reporter from the Indy Star. They didn't ask him specifically how sure he was of his report or the veracity of his source, but Holey prefaced the interview by saying that no journalist would run such a piece without being pretty certain. Anyway, to paraphrase the main points:

What was the main point that enabled Thad Matta to land these recruits? Matta was able to sell them on his vision for the Buckeye Program. Telling them what was possible for this class. That was the main reason (of many) for landing them.

What do you think of Matta as a recruiter given all the distrations he's faced with? He's a bulldog. He is VERY connected with HS & AAU coaches and parents, not just here but in Indiana where he coached at Butler. His stopping to see a HS game just before OSU played undefeated Illinois the next day told everyone how serious he was.

Did you believe that Oden wanted to attend college even before the NBA ruling was announced? Yes. Thinks Oden was sincere about growing up a bit before moving to the NBA. He wants the college experience, the friends, the comradarie, etc. Not sure how long that may be ... 1 year, 2, 3? Who knows.

What about his teammate that is getting lost in the shuffle? Great kid and a great prospect. What people fail to realize is that OSU might be on the verge of a class with 4 players in the top 40 recruits. Everyone points to the Fab Five class at Michigan for comparison, well that was 5 of the top 100 recruits.

When will we know for sure? Expect verbals from the players in 7-10 days. That might be pushed back just a bit so that they can regenerate a "buzz" before announcing.



All in all a very positive interview and no hint of another outcome being a possibility.

 

[OSUBasketballJunkie]

Here is a quick summary of the new CBA from NBA.com.....

The following are the key points agreed to by the NBA and the Players Association in their new 6-year collective bargaining agreement:

<LI>Players will be guaranteed to receive 57 percent of league revenues (BRI), the same percentage paid to players the last two seasons. (This is the first time the league has ever agreed to guarantee the players an agreed-upon percentage of revenues.)

<LI>The Salary Cap will increase from 48 percent of BRI to 51 percent of BRI. All Cap exceptions will remain unchanged, including the Mid-Level Exception ($4.9 million per team this past season).

<LI>The amount of money that can be withheld from player salaries under the “escrow” system will be reduced from 10 percent of salaries in year 1 of the new deal to 9 percent in years 2 through 5 and 8 percent in year 6. The 57 percent escrow level will increase with revenue growth.

<LI>The effect of the existing luxury tax on teams will be reduced and there will be no additional taxes. The tax level will be set at 61percent of league revenues (the same level as in the 2001-02 – 2003-04 seasons). Tax treatment for injured players and minimum salary players will be liberalized.

<LI>The maximum length of a player contract will be reduced by 1 year, from 7 years for a team’s own players and 6 years for other players to 6 years and 5 years.

<LI>The league will guarantee that, on average, all teams will have 14-player rosters.

<LI>The maximum annual increases in multi-year player contracts will be reduced from 12.5 percent for a team’s own players and 10 percent for other players to 10.5 percent and 8 percent.

<LI>Players will be subject to 4 random drug tests per season and penalties for use of performance-enhancing drugs will be increased.

<LI>The age limit for entering the draft will increase from 18 to 19 (plus one year removed from high school).

<LI>Players will have the right to an arbitrator’s review of Commissioner suspensions for on-court misconduct of more than 12 games (currently, no arbitrator review is permitted regardless of the length of the suspension).

<LI>Players in their first two seasons in the league may be placed on teams in the NBA Development League for skills development.

There will be an increase in the minimum salary and benefits. Pension benefits will be increased subject to IRS approval.

Sloop...no offense but I am pretty knowledgable of the new agreement and I am almost positive that did not make it into the final agreement. The simple fact that such a exception would go against everything that the new age limit is trying to do. It doesn't make much sense, thats why its gone.

Oden will attend college.........end of story. Now I am almost certain...99% that he and Conley will attend Ohio State but there is always that chance things could change but I wouldn't bet on it.

 

[JohnnyCockfight]

I think the NBA and the players have only made an agreement in principle. If that is the case, then we don't have access a final, valid agreement, and therefore predicting what it will contain is speculation, at least to a certain extent. I understand that the two sides have released the bullet-point list of highlights, as posted directly above.

 

[Oh8ch]

My anticipation of Oden continues to grow, but -

Even if he commits it is a long way (including potential sanction announcements) til signing day.

Even if he signs an LOI it is a long way til he actually sets foot on the floor of the Schott. I firmly believe he has every intention of playing college ball. Whether he will even have an option may be an unknown, but it is one thing to turn down millions in the abstract when it is two years away. It is quite another to look it dead in the eye and say "No".

Regardless, we take this one step at a time and recent news is reason for silent and subdued celebration.

 

[schwab]

Drop the hammer Greg! Do what you wanna do, not what anyone else prefers. If that means being a Buckeye, then we're all for it. If not, you will succeed in any decision you make. I don't see how anyone can say you are wrong, no matter what you decide. The NBA apparently shut the door on the draft option, and I think sloopy45 needs to pass the pipe....over this way...lol Go Bucks

 

[OSUBasketballJunkie]

scout.com$

6/25/05

Oden and Conley are holding a news conference on Wednesday at 1:00pm to announce their choice.

My anticipation of Oden continues to grow, but -

Even if he commits it is a long way (including potential sanction announcements) til signing day.

Even if he signs an LOI it is a long way til he actually sets foot on the floor of the Schott. I firmly believe he has every intention of playing college ball. Whether he will even have an option may be an unknown, but it is one thing to turn down millions in the abstract when it is two years away. It is quite another to look it dead in the eye and say "No".

Regardless, we take this one step at a time and recent news is reason for silent and subdued celebration.

Oh8ch........while I completely understand your point of view I find myself very excited at what looks like a huge boost for our basketball program. To be able to land a kid of this quality, not only on the court but off....says a lot about what Ohio State has to offer. I perfer to look at the bright side of things and look towards the future......the future is bright right now.

 

[OSUBasketballJunkie]

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Lawrence North's Oden, Conley choose Ohio State, not IU; some fans don't like recent trend.

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By Terry Hutchens
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If a 42-42 record over the past 84 games and two consecutive seasons without an NCAA Tournament bid weren't bad enough for Indiana University basketball coach Mike Davis, now comes a threat to his reputation as being a top recruiter.

One day after The Star reported Lawrence North's Greg Oden will attend Ohio State in 2006, IU basketball fans expressed their displeasure at how another in-state star slipped away.

In the past few years, Bloomington North's Sean May (North Carolina), Carmel's Josh McRoberts (Duke), Washington's Luke Zeller (Notre Dame) and Richmond's Dominic James (Marquette) have chosen schools other than IU. Oden and Lawrence North teammate Mike Conley Jr. are expected to join that list. With the exception of the Class of 2004 that included A.J. Ratliff, Robert Vaden and James Hardy, IU has missed out on more in-state players than it has landed.

"I think this is one of those time periods in Indiana hoops when we have five or six amazing players all at the same time, and now it looks like we're not going to get any of them," said Mark Swearingen, a 1995 IU graduate from Mooresville, Ind. "Oden was just the icing on the cake. I just think this miss makes a lot of IU fans ask themselves what is wrong with our state of recruiting.

"I've always found myself defending Mike Davis by saying he's a great recruiter and he brings all of these great players in. But when they're on our backdoor step and we're not getting them, it just makes you wonder what the problem may be."

When former Indiana Mr. Basketball and IU standout Pat Graham heard the news as he drove home from work Friday afternoon, he said he was "floored."

At the same time, he remembered how the Hoosiers lost a good 7-foot center from Lawrence North in his recruiting class of 1989 -- Eric Montross.

"Eric Montross and I were very good friends, and his decision just about killed us. We couldn't believe it," Graham said. "But I was close to him and he told me one day, 'I've got to do what's best for me.' And he went (to North Carolina) and won a national championship.

"I've got to be honest, if I could have traded spots with him and won a national championship, I would have done just that."

Oden and Conley did not confirm The Star's report Friday. Oden didn't return two calls, and Conley said they won't comment until a formal announcement is made.

Graham said he wasn't surprised to see them select the same school. He said when he and six recruits attended IU to form the Class of 1989, they went there because they wanted to play together. That class also included all-time IU leading scorer Calbert Cheaney and Lawrence Funderburke.

"I think everyone thought we all went to IU because of Bob Knight, but that wasn't it at all," Graham said. "We went there because we played together almost every summer, we enjoyed each other and we thought this was the best chance to win.

"I think a lot of times today's athletes are different. They're looking at going to a place for a year or two and using it as a steppingstone. No one wishes Greg Oden would have chosen Indiana as that place more than me, but sometimes it doesn't work out that way."

Graham said that like Montross, he expects Oden will hear negative reaction about leaving his home state. May did when he selected North Carolina.

"It's not 'you're from Indiana, so you should go to Indiana.' I don't buy into that," Graham said. "Every kid has his choice and he has to live with that choice."

Most IU fans interviewed said basically the same thing. Upon hearing the news, they felt as if someone had punched them in the stomach.

"It's disappointing because he's been up in Indianapolis and we've known about him for a long time, and we all had visions of D.J. White and Greg Oden playing side by side, and now it doesn't look like it's going to happen," said Kevin Hanlon, a 21-year-old IU senior who lives on the Southside of Indianapolis.

College bound



Lawrence North's Greg Oden and Mike Conley Jr. plan to attend Ohio State. Here is a sample of where some of the state's top basketball recruits have gone to college:

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Sean May. Josh McRoberts. Jon Scheyer. Jason Gardner. Andre Iguodala.

If you're a basketball fan, you've heard their names and know their stories. They are among the talented basketball players from the Midwest who in recent years have left Big Ten country to play in other conferences.

Heading off to places such as the Atlantic Coast Conference or the Pac-10 has been the norm.

With the Midwest sporting some of the most highly recruited players in the classes of 2006 and 2007, this is a critical time for Big Ten schools. There are a growing number of signs that staying in the Midwest might become fashionable again.

North Central High School guard Eric Gordon, who plays on the same AAU team as Greg Oden and Mike Conley, said word the Lawrence North duo plans to play for Ohio State was not news to him.

"We've pretty much known they were going there for a while now," said Gordon, a junior-to-be who is playing this week in the National Basketball Players Association Top 100 Camp in Richmond, Va.

In the recent past, it would have been a surprise.

McRoberts, considered by some scouting services as the No.1 player in the Class of 2005, is headed to Duke from Carmel High School. Scheyer, a nationally ranked guard in the Class of 2006, is leaving the Chicago suburbs to play for Duke.

Gardner of North Central went to Arizona. May of Bloomington led North Carolina to the 2005 national title.

Why do the players leave?

"There's a big theory that if you're a great guard, you go to an ACC or a Pac-10 school," Scheyer said. "The Big Ten is supposed to be a banging, slow-it-down league, so a lot of players are going away."

Another factor has been stability. Some of the other conferences have had it while Big Ten schools have been either in turmoil or turnover.

How long Gene Keady would stay at Purdue was a question until he announced this past year was going to be his final one. There have been multiple coaching changes at Illinois in the past 10 years.

Ohio State's Jim O'Brien was forced out prior to Thad Matta taking over last year.

At the same time, coaches like Duke's Mike Krzyzewski and Arizona's Lute Olsen are entrenched at their schools.

"The thing is, is it a trend that continues?" national talent scout Van Coleman said. "That's the big thing for the Big Ten schools. Now you have schools with coaches who are beginning to get settled."

As for Indiana University, which has struggled recently to land top in-state players, there is constant speculation regarding the future of coach Mike Davis, who took over when Bob Knight was fired in 2000.

"In state, it comes down to the uncertainty, and you still have the backlash there from some people who wouldn't send their kids to IU because they're Bob Knight people," Coleman said. "I think the thing right now is, 'Is Mike going to be there?' and that's the question the university has to answer."

As for the Midwest talent base, the region has the top-ranked players in each of the next two classes in Oden (2006) and Cincinnati shooting guard O.J. Mayo (2007). The states of Indiana, Illinois, Ohio and Michigan have seven of the top 40 players in the Class of 2006 and 10 of the top 40 players in the Class of 2007, according to the Rivals.com rankings.

Now that players can't jump directly to the NBA from high school, the next two years are critical for the Big Ten.

Gordon said he sees the conference in a positive light.

"I would say guys are more ready for the NBA from Big Ten schools," said Gordon, a top-10 player in the Class of 2007 who lists Illinois as his favorite.

"You work on full-court defense, half-court defense, all kinds of stuff, rather than just run up and down the floor."

 

[OSUBasketballJunkie]

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6/25/05

wow...now just imagine him with an OSU jersey on......

 

[CleveBucks]

This one is all but wrapped up folks. You gotta wonder who all they're trying to recruit now...

(from the Dispatch)

Greg Oden and Mike Conley will reveal Wednesday where they plan to play college basketball. A few prospective teammates are pretty sure they already know it’s Ohio State.

Thaddeus Young, a 6-foot-8 forward from Memphis, Tenn., yesterday told a source who spoke to The Dispatch on the condition of anonymity that he received a cell-phone text message from an Ohio State coach saying Oden and Conley have chosen the Buckeyes.

The source spoke to Young — who, like Oden, is one of the top 10 players in the class of 2006 — at the NBA players association Top 100 Camp in Richmond, Va.

Bryce Webster, a 6-10 forward from Mendota Heights, Minn., told the same source that Oden and Conley were trying to persuade Webster and others to join them at Ohio State during the recent USA Youth Development Festival in San Diego.

Eric Gordon, a 6-3 guard from Indianapolis who is one of the top prospects in the class of 2007 and plays on the same AAU team as Oden and Conley, said in the Indianapolis Star yesterday, "We’ve pretty much known they were going (to Ohio State) for a while now."

Conley’s father, Mike Conley Sr., a former Olympic gold medalist in the triple jump, said yesterday that his son, a 6-1 point guard, and Oden, who is 7 feet, will announce their decisions at a news conference at 1 p.m. Wednesday at Lawrence North High School near Indianapolis.

Conley Sr., who coaches the Spiece Indy Heat AAU team his son and Oden play for, said neither of them, nor anyone speaking on their behalf, has informed the coaches of the schools recruiting them what their decision is.

"But they’ve been telling their friends" they’re going to Ohio State, a source at one of the schools said.

And Al Powell, an Indy Heat assistant coach, told The Dispatch on Friday that he was "99.9 percent (sure) they’re going to be Buckeyes before June or July is over."

Conley Jr. has said he will choose between Ohio State and Wake Forest. Oden has listed four finalists: Ohio State, Wake Forest, Indiana and Michigan State.

It has long been assumed that Conley and Oden will play together in college. Conley Sr. said it is possible but not likely they could commit to different schools.

By choosing Ohio State, they would join AAU teammate Daequan Cook of Dayton Dunbar, who committed to the Buckeyes in March, and David Lighty of Cleveland Villa Angela-St. Joseph, who did so in April. The four would be able to sign binding national letters of intent in November.

Recruiting analyst Bob Gibbons ranks Oden first, Cook sixth, Lighty 12 th and Conley 20 th in the class of 2006. He has said it would be the best class Ohio State has attracted since he began rating recruits in 1978 and that "it would compare with one of the all-time great classes, the Fab Five," at Michigan in 1991. That class included future NBA players Chris Webber, Jalen Rose and Juwan Howard and reached the NCAA championship game in 1992 and 1993 before Webber left for the NBA after his sophomore season.

Before the NBA last week changed its early-entry rule to require high-school graduates to wait a year before entering the draft, Oden was projected as the No. 1 choice next year.

Conley Sr. said his son and Oden, if they choose Ohio State, do not fear probable NCAA sanctions against the program affecting their careers. The NCAA, which announced the findings of its investigation in May, is expected to announce penalties against the program in the fall, but Ohio State already has taken preemptive measures by firing former coach Jim O’Brien in June 2004 and declaring the 2004-05 team ineligible for postseason play.

"They feel that by the time they get to school there, there may very well be some sanctions in place but they won’t be much," Conley Sr. said. "The only sanction that could affect them would be a postseason ban in ’07, and they feel it’s not going to come to that."

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Why are the Indiana fans so shocked?

 

[sandgk]

This one is all but wrapped up folks. You gotta wonder who all they're trying to recruit now...

(from the Dispatch)

Wonder indeed -- if the Matta recruiting momentum continues maybe we will see partners to this type of thread with other teams boards' in melt-down & denial.

Still, I checked the calendar -- it isn't Wednesday yet, so no counting till the eggs have hatched.

 

[Sloopy45]

BN27: "Sloopy, despite having you on ignore I had to check out what all the hullabaloo was in your post."

I'd actually prefer it if you kept me on ignore.

bb73: "Sloop, where's the source for this so-called exemption? (And pardon me for dropping the 'c' you apparently fat-fingered)."

The exemption was being discussed in the negotiations .. again, I'm not 100% sure if they agreed on this b/c I haven't read the final CBA yet.

bucknuts44820: "Sloop...no offense but I am pretty knowledgable of the new agreement and I am almost positive that did not make it into the final agreement. The simple fact that such a exception would go against everything that the new age limit is trying to do. It doesn't make much sense, thats why its gone."

Hey, if you say so, I believe you .. no offense taken.

schwab: "The NBA apparently shut the door on the draft option, and I think sloopy45 needs to pass the pipe....over this way...lol Go Bucks"

The pipe is passed .. pack that shit up, bitch.

Can I ask you guys a question? I don't follow Buckeye hoops all that closely. Aren't we on probation next year?? Can someone give me a brief rundown of the team's status?

 

[OSUBasketballJunkie]

Can I ask you guys a question? I don't follow Buckeye hoops all that closely. Aren't we on probation next year?? Can someone give me a brief rundown of the team's status?

We are not on probation at this time. The NCAA infractions group will meet in September to decide if any further sanctions are needed. Many feel that OSU at the most will have to give back some money and take down the 99 final four banner. I would be shocked if they lose any scholies or are put on another year of postseason ban.

Either way, by the time the 2006 class enters Ohio State, any possible sanctions will be history in my opinion.