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Bucks Make FSNs Sports List

Slightly related story. I had a chance to interview a Cryami grad the other day. I downloaded his thesis and a stack of pictures showing the right call was made. To my dismay, he was cuban and didn't really like sports, especially football. What a bum. If I have'm on the hot seat I want to at least light the fire.
 
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i spend a lot of time on Grassy... here's what i read in the last couple days:

canieac13
The Funnel King
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(6/3/05 12:51:49 pm)
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5 turnovers....part of the game !!
The best player in the country getting injured late in the second half.....Where was he in the 1st half?
His replacement (Frank Gore) being out for the season...not much of a factor Jason Geathers being moved to WR because Kevin Beard was injured, therrby depleting RB depth....we had plenty of capable RB's that night
Additionally, the overtime rules, period. Ohio State NEVER drove the field that night and yet with overtime, you don't have to! It completely favors teams with inept offenses that cannot sustain long drives. Second, is it fair that the team that plays defense second in the first overtime, plays defense first in the second overtime? Couple that with beginning to celebrate and then having to play defense again, and the system is severely flawed...Would you have rather had a tie ?

All that, and they STILL needed "The Call" to save their skins.

And I didn't even mention the Taylor "strip" that resulted in Ohio State's only 3 points of the second half simply because the drive started in Miami territory.Those points still count !!

Those might be the worse set of excuses I have ever heard about that night

Should have never came to that horrible call !!!.....Our Oline got tooled that night !

We lost...We need to get over it !!
just let it go !!!


canieac13
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(6/3/05 3:01:07 pm)
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Wrong! That 2002 team busted their ass all off-season and all year to repeat as champs. So our defense deserved to lose that game? Dorsey deserved to lose that game? Vilma deserved to lose that game?
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Yep...........As cliche as it may sound,'You win as a team, you lose as a team".
You are wrong.........They didn't bust their asses off all season either...They played their asses off 11 games out of 12 and the one they lost happened to be the one for the ring.The expected to go in a show up and walk away winners...They got busted in the mouth.......Whoever's fault it may be, they lost the game.

BTW, JPayton is a very capable back !


It begins and ends with the Oline...If they perform better, we win..period !!!! If Dorsey has a little more time and it opens up the field and we get AJopen more,or even JP can run through the holes...or, we have better playcalling from Chud. It was a major cluster fug the whole night....
Trust me......I was more concerned with the way the refs taking their sweet time in spotting the ball and starting the 45 sec clock than I was with bad judgment calls. Then OSO* would run the play clock down to 2 seconds before they snapped the ball. I promise they shortened the game by 4 or 5 minutes doing this.....

Trust me....I was there..It was one of the hardest defeats to swallow...ever ! But as a big a Cane fan as the next....I say we deserved to lose because we had the better team and played like shizzle..

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canefan17
Chics dig the TE end around
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(6/3/05 10:05:15 pm)
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Trust me....I was there..It was one of the hardest defeats to swallow...ever ! But as a big a Cane fan as the next....I say we deserved to lose because we had the better team and played like shizzle..
I was there too. Big deal.

You're overlooking a big factor here. Ohio State had a GREAT defense. Their Dline was sick that year. And we turned the ball over.

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(6/4/05 10:08:24 am)
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Those turnovers weren't just blind luck or Miami gifts. Three of them were strips by the defense. They made a good play to beat the left tackle and strip Dorsey from behind. They made another good play to strip Parrish. They made another good play to strip Taylor. You can't just write those off as bad luck for Miami - they were positively good plays by Ohio State. You could add in the interception where Dorsey was flushed from the pocket by pressure and overthrew Parrish.

I guess the only reason we beat FSU in 2003 is because we got really lucky with all the gift turnovers they handed us, right? It's not like we deserved those turnovers by forcing them with constant pressure on Rix on anything.

Yes, the RB injury and depth situations were bad luck for Miami, and therefore good luck for OSU. But what are you going to do if you're either team? And as someone pointed out, it's not like McGahee had been able to get anything going in the first half. Yes, he had had a few nice runs to start the second half, but there's no guarantee they wouldn't have been able to stop him the rest of the way as they had most of the game.

The OT rules never had to come into in. Miami wasn't forced to play for the tie with the ball on the OSU 20 and almost two minutes left - but they did.

And of course it's more fair to let the team that plays D last in the 1st OT play it first in the next OT. There's a big advantage to going last on O in an OT session. Saying that the team that gets to go last in the first OT should always get to go last is like saying that the team that wins the game's opening coin toss should receive the first half kickoff and the second half kickoff.

As for Taylor, he was stripped. Clarrett had the ball. No one made Taylor run the ball out of the end zone in the first place, or carry it on his inside hand, or let Clarrett take it away.

Yes, I think if that game were played 100 times, Miami would win about 70 of them. But not 100. This was one of the other 30% of the time. Bad calls occur in every game. We only beat UCLA in 1998 because of a terrible fumble call that went against UCLA's Melsby (he was clearly down). The 1989 title was won with the partial aid of a questionable call that went our way in the Sugar.

We had bad calls in the Rose Bowl. Nebraska scored a TD on a "do over" punt return. It didn't matter and people aren't still complaining here because we won anyway. If you want to be immune from one bad call possibly costing you the game, there's a simple solution: outplay the opponent by 10+ points, not by 3.

I know some losses are frustrating and it sometimes seems like all the planets have to align exactly right in order to produce an unlikely sequence of events that results in a loss. But don't you think that Louisville and FSU felt that way about Miami last year? FSU in the 2004 OB, WVU and UF in 2003, UCLA in 1998, FSU in 1991 and 1987, Michigan in 1988, WVU in 1996, BC in 1999?

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LARSOFDAVENUE
Baby Cane
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(6/5/05 11:56:06 am)
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Tony,it was a hell of a game.That game had it all,and their punter was not human that night.
LOL... i remember after the first punt, a Cane fan grabbed me and was like 'Holy 'ISH that was a long punt!' my pops, who was already pretty annoyed at the Cane fans was like 'No 'ish! he's an All American!' Cane fan was like 'Oh...' classic.

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ObieHurricane
Baby Cane
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(6/5/05 12:03:06 pm)
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We got jobbed on that call, but we had our chances to win that game, plenty of chances to win.

It was meant for Ohio State, with all the points that the originator of this thread made, he left out one key point, the greatest football play that I have seen was made in this game.

Yeah there are plays hail mary's and stuff that are remarkable, but those are luck, the play where Sean Taylor made a great break on the ball and interception, he was gone for 100 yard plus return until Clarett ripped the ball and took it, he didn't just make him fumble or tackle him, he took the ball, and from Sean Taylor, it isn't like he took it from some scab like Kyler Hall.... I hate clarett and S.T. is my fav. cane ever but that was an unbelievable play.

Some will call me crazy on this, but the magnitude or this play, it is the national championship game, all the momentum on the line, It wsa 14-7, Ohio State could have went up 21-7, but then the pic, Miami woudl have tied the game but Clarett just ripped all the momentmum from us and they scored a field goal and had a commanding 10 pt. lead in this game.

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tonygarcia00
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(6/5/05 5:09:06 pm)
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DCF is right on the money , had the refs called pass interference on the miami corner who all but tore off the osu players uniform everything after that would not have ever happened, osu would have ran the clock out no overtime ,etc . let it go already "the best college game of all time two great teams loaded with nfl talent throughout their rosters . The key to that game was osu def linemans domination of the miami o line , that was the real story .

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(6/5/05 6:14:44 pm)
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One play that is untalked about is on our first possession in the 2nd half, McGahee is about to get a 1st down, yet he tries to do a Barry Sanders and goes backwards and brings up 4th down. We get the 1st down, we are gaining momentum, especially if we can sustain a scoring drive, but instead we're punting.

That was huge - but since we can't whine about it or blame the refs, no one mentions it much.

The refs had some close calls to make, and the funny thing is, that if they had made the opposite call in each circumstance, they'd still be being criticized. That's why they call them close calls.

Taylor had the ball taken away by Clarett. The refs understand the rules as much as even the fans do. They just saw what some didn't want to see - that there was no simultaneous possession, just Clarett having control of the ball. Now maybe a ref saw the play wrong, but that can happen to anyone at any time. It certainly isn't the case that the offcials simply didn't understand a very simple rule. The bottom line of course is that if you get the ball stripped away, you desreve to lose possession.

Gamble did not catch that ball with two minutes left. Go back and watch the replay. First of all, the replay shows only a rear view of the play, so unless your TIVO allows you to look through Gamble and see the ball, you don't have a right to even have an opinion. The one thing we know is that the official who ruled no catch had a front view of the call. Lacking any other view, his opinion has to be assumed to be the best one out there.

The PI on Sharpe is a judgment call. There was clearly contact. Doesn't mean it was a great call, but it can't be the worst call ever and under no circumstances would it be reversible.

An example of a bad non-call came on OSU's winning TD in the 2nd OT. Look and you'll see an OSU blocker with a fistful of McIntosh's jersey. A holding call there and they're back on the 11 and the whole face of the game changes. But as the old saying goes, you can call holding on every play (and PI on most pass plays).

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engineer24
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(6/5/05 7:31:54 pm)
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This thread is a joke.

Before the OSU game, according to this board OSU couldnt hang and we were going to blow them out because they are a "slow big 10 team"

Now after the game, they supposedly got all the breaks, all their turnovers were flukes, and the refs cheated.

My god do you guys realize how that sounds? You sound like a bunch of 5 year old boys whining to momma.

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BuckheadCane
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(6/5/05 11:52:19 pm)
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what killed us was having a freshman CB in there on that 4th and 14 play....sharpe misplayed the coverage....he was supposed to step up in front of the WR and take away the out, because he had sean supplying deep help...miscommunication, whatever it was that lead to that breakdown, could have been avoided without an inexperienced CB back there....im not saying it's sharpe's fault, what do you expect from a true freshman??

hmm... there's some sanity on Grassy after all...
 
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What about thye screw job the Bucks got on the Jenkins catch at the sideline on 3rd down that was called incomplete that forced us to punt to them with 2 minutes to go in the 4th. The replays clearly show that MJ came down in bounds, which would have given us a 1st down and allowed us to run out the clock.

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What about thye screw job the Bucks got on the Jenkins catch at the sideline on 3rd down that was called incomplete that forced us to punt to them with 2 minutes to go in the 4th. The replays clearly show that MJ came down in bounds, which would have given us a 1st down and allowed us to run out the clock.

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that was gamble, and that was addressed in the copy and paste job. apparently they say he didn't catch it. i've watched it about 600 times and I don't know how you can come to that conclusion......but the rest of that is dead on. im surprised those guys aren't banned yet.
 
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Those comments above are consistent with what I read and/or hear from the real Miami fans. Ohio State haters are the ones that harp on Terry Porter and the PI call, but for the most part, real Miami fans will acknowledge that Dorsey being sacked on the very first play of the game tells the story of that night.

The OSU D-Line was superior, end of story. If Miami's track stars would have just blown the Bucks out by 30 like they did Nebraska the year before everything else is a non-factor. Bad calls go both ways, good teams overcome, regroup, and play another down.

For me, the Fiesta will be remembered for two things:

1. Clarett's strip of Taylor. No matter what happens with (or to) MoC from here-on-out, MoC cemented himself a Buckeye legend for what I will always see as one of the most incredible plays in college football. The NFL combine only reaffirmed what all of us already knew when that play occured, Clarett had no business chasing down Taylor from behind.

2. Ohio State had 1st-and-goal from the 2 and punched it in. Miami had 1st-and-goal from the 2 and wound up heaving a desperation prayer to end the game. Cie Grant coming off the edge gives me chills everytime I see it.
 
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Where did you get that picture of the linebackers at? AWESOME! :yow2:
I scanned it out of the Sporting News' Big-10 preview magazine. Literally, there are pictures of Buckeyes on every other page through the first half of the mag, until you get to the individual team breakdowns.

I've got a hi-res copy of the same linebackers pic since I scanned the original in at 1440dpi. I'm planning on printing out a big canvas copy of the pic on our 26" tractor feed plotter here at work and seeking some autographs to eventually frame and hang in my game room.
 
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I like the idiot who talks about Clarett's strip setting up tOSU's only points of the second half, when that 'turnover' set up our field position for the score.

And I didn't even mention the Taylor "strip" that resulted in Ohio State's only 3 points of the second half simply because the drive started in Miami territory.
Hello - that came after Krenzel hit Gamble for 57 yards over the top, the Clarett strip was the second turnover on that play. Our field position was earned by the offense, the double turnover play just re-established it.
 
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