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[strike]I realize we don't want to "single" anyone out here. But as we know there is a certain moderator that has been know to give just about everyone here(not just new members) a hard time. I think you all know who I'm talking about.[/strike]

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Find constructive ways to contribute. We don't want to single anyone out here, because this isn't an issue with one person, or a small group of people.
 
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tedginn05 said:
I realize we don't want to "single" anyone out here. But as we know there is a certain moderator that has been know to give just about everyone here(not just new members) a hard time. I think you all know who I'm talking about.
personally mili has never given me a hard time, but i rarely say ridiculously stupid things with no sort of proof or commonsense to back it up...
 
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but im at will of those who run this place.

Not dumping on you at all, but that's exactly the opposite of how we want and hope everyone will feel.

I consider myself at the will of those who use this place. That I consider myself one of the users is where I draw my voice.

Collectively we make something good, or collectively we make something ugly. Right now, I think we have 99% good, and 1% ugly, and since I'm something of a perfectionist, I want to tackle the 1%.

The racial, sexist and homophobic intolerance has to go. The perception (partially undeserved, partially deserved) that we're a "good-old-boy" network has to as well.

This isn't about making BP, 'bPC', it's not about washing everything down, homogenizing and appealing to the lowest common denominator. It's certainly not about bending to the will of those who have found power elsewhere by whining to the mods and admins. It's about BP being our house, and us keeping our own house in order.

Some will see this whole discussion as being somewhat pointless and melodramatic, and I appreciate that. I don't have much use for 'drama'. But the moment we stop thinking about how we are, and how we come across, collectively, is the moment BP is lost, at least as a concept.
 
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Not dumping on you at all, but that's exactly the opposite of how we want and hope everyone will feel.

my comment addresses the fact that a majority of the problems on here have been corrected by you guys. it was meant as a compliment, not as a few ruling with an iron fist.

whatever rules you guys set i will follow. and i will as i have in the past send the occasional pm to tone someone down or calm the poster down in the thread.
 
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my comment addresses the fact that a majority of the problems on here have been corrected by you guys. it was meant as a compliment, not as a few ruling with an iron fist.

whatever rules you guys set i will follow. and i will as i have in the past send the occasional pm to tone someone down or calm the poster down in the thread.

Just using your comment to address a core point, jim. I took it the way you meant it, but decided to use you to make a point.
 
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Dude, I didn't know that the filter wasn't working right now. I am probably one of the biggest offenders in the arena. My appologies.

As for making fun of TG05, I used to be covertly supportive, now, sometimes it is just fun to pick on him. I do agree thought that we as a group tend to be a little hard on some folks sometimes. I will try and do my part to be a bit more supportive.

I second this. I didn't know it wasn't operational.

For the most part, I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. He brings most of that on himself with idiotic comments. I recently had a pm conversation with him, no progress made. I am laying off of him, though.
These aren't different viewpoints people present, these are sometimes offensive and "give me attention" statements. Guy Incognito is another who just seems to say things to piss people off. The difference is this- Thump and I can have a conversation about leasing v. purchasing automobiles. Because he thinks purchasing a vehicle is the best bang for his buck, it doesn't mean I hate him. Having an educated, non-confrontation conversation is within most people's ability. For others, it seems we're asking them to get to the moon by Sunday. It's just not possible.
 
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3yards

My participation level at BP has dropped quite a bit recently. I am not sure if the reasons you have mentioned are part of that or not.

On question #1
Who thinks this is a closed site? Is that the feedback you are getting from new members? How do we compare to other sites? I know a few sites I frequent have a topic with wider appeal and thus have more members. Some I go to have less total members than we have members at one time on the open forum. I have also seem sites ban people quickly for almost no reason. BP gives members a long rope before the noose is tightened.

On Question #2
This is a football board filled with a majority of men. I think it is almost like joining a fratenity in that there is a right of passage. I am not saying that is right or wrong, that just seems to be the process. I do think there is a small group of regulars and they seem to influence the direction of the site. If you are not accepted it can be brutal unless you enjoy the role.

On question #3
I have always considered the HOMO shots as good natured fun., I can see where it could be considered offensive by some. Besides the one BP member I have met I have no clue as to the race of any other members and it really never entered my mind. I suspect that many here use names, avatars and other means to actually disguise who they really are.

On question #4
Who is doing the policing? The mods or the members?

On question #5
What would be better? Maybe some others can help me here but to improve something you have to say here is where we are and here is where we want to be. I think your message is telling us where you think we are now. Where do we want to be?

I know we had a thread about being a member of the BP before. To me this is no different than joining any other club or organization. There is a culture and an accepted, but maybe not published, protocol that comes with being a participant. I respect your message and appreciate the effort of everyone here. Let us know what you want and I think we can work toward that.
 
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People upsetting other people on purpose is kind of funny when you're not the one being upset.

And I think one of the main problems is that sometimes people don't realize the age differences represented on this board ( I know I don't think about it most of the time). Some guys seem a lot older than they are, some seem a lot younger, but either way, I think people might want to take that into consideration when they decide how to react to certain people.
 
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I think that one reason that BP seems to not welcome new members to participate is because a lot of things discussed here have long running themes or jokes. Someone who's new may not know the history of things like the $77/month and such. Newbies may be intimidated to jump in a roll with the jokes (at least here in the open discussion forum) or discussions if they don't what's really going on. One of the reasons for the old Sound Off Thread was supposed to be so the other posters can get to know you a little... no one posts in that thread anymore. Most of the regular posters on here and known each other years... it takes time for people to figure out where they fit in... people like Peach, BKB and Mr I have figured this out and realize how to fit in on the boards.... why can't everyone do that? If you walk into a room full of people that have know each other for years... are just going to start talking to everyone and try to fit in to every single conversation... NO, you take your time and figure out who's who and go from there. If new posters don't want to take the time to feel out the site before they jump in and then get harassed... that's their problem.

As for posters like teddy... I'll admit that I give him a lot of crap... I do that because he's very inconsistent. Most of the time his posts aren't thought through and make no sense.... he's a young guy but his thought process is all over the place. He's part of the board just like everyone else... no big deal... just try to use a little common sense sometimes.

This is a message board... I come here for OSU news, entertainment and stay occupied while I'm at work. It's a great place.... is there some things to work on... sure.
 
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as a thought i remember when you really got hammered for being here when this place was tiny (less than 500 users) as it grew a system was implemented for new posters. you posted the first time and then almost always responded with a link to the "welcome thread" were people introduced themselves. granted id only skim it every once and awhile and hadnt thought about it not being a sticky thread, but its another system that was here one time to "welcome" new users
 
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Well, most of my thoughts have already been covered by various posters, but I will hit on a few key points.

The language filter is something about which I have been bugging Clarity. With so much on his plate in terms of upgrading, this has understandably been a slow process in terms of certain amenities coming online. The language filter will be here soon, but there is still a basic problem with word choice that I see. Many posts contain excessive language that is truly not needed to get the point across. Are folks cursing because, simply put, they can? Not sure, but at times it derails conversation because folks sense an aggression in the post which is not always there. Personally, I try to avoid the "bombs" for this reason, but then again, I'm not offended when people use them either. However, as mentioned already, not everyone has been here since the beginning and does not "know" the posters or their various online personalities.

As for the racist/homophobic tones at times...it irks me. However, I do see some of it (most of it) as innocent ribbing. The Galindo/figure skater/etc stuff is lighthearted. However, it does get rough at times when folks decide to take it up a few notches. Nobody wants to be censored, but if the lighthearted material leads us down a path of perceived hateful tone, it should be avoided completely in my opinion. The issue of race or racial jokes do not sit well with me. We can say whatever we like about being "PC" but there is a line that does not need to be crossed and when you are dealing with a one-dimensional form of communication, that leads to miscommunication and poor perceptions. Certain words just send chills through me and, admittedly, the jokes concerning Tibor did not click the same way. It is time to step back in this area and realize we are giving a poor perception in this area.

The gang mentality is the most difficult obstacle here. Most of us feel some form of loyalty to this site and its direction. That leads to many posters defending what they see as the better traits of this place. Whether it be discussion level, repetitive posts/threads, or out of line commentary, posters jump with good intentions in mind, but do fail to realize how the situation is being handled in the eyes of a newer member. Ideally, new posters would observe and learn the ways of the site before jumping in, but that is not going to happen 99% of the time. Which leads to my final point...

PMs are a wonderful tool. I would hope that everyone who has ever PMd a mod or admin has had their concern handled or at least discussed to their satisfaction. I would honestly say 80% of the mod duties are handled via PM. Recruiting rules, aggressive personal posts, etc are usually handled privately to give the poster a chance to rectify the issue without having to go to the warning system. Sometimes it works...sometimes people make their intentions very clear and must be removed. However, I would hope that every member knows they can PM any mod or admin about any issue and we will certainly try to ease the concern. To everyone who reports bad posts, keep it up as it is impossible for us to see every post.

Everyone knows what is acceptable and what is not...behaving badly because you can is not a good reason and is certainly not good for BP. We are blessed to have someone like Clarity who built this place and turned over the reins to each one of us. Just keep that in mind when you post and try to make this place better in some way. After all, this place was founded as a community experience...which does mean that EVERY member has a responsibility to contribute to the growth of BP.
 
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I want to start by saying... the issues you are describing are real life... not just BP... what organization lets newbies pop into them and instantly become "one of the fellas".. doesn't happen.. and when someone tries, there's a natural tendency to act like "just who the hell are you?" .. in life, until you earn respect, you are not given respect... maturity or lack thereof, emanates in the posts...

1) Why are we perceived as a 'closed' site? Do we (as a community) really want to be closed to new members and their ideas? ... Have we reached our membership limit? Is there a reason every new poster is treated with skepticism until they "prove their worth"?
yes.. the board does come off as having certain walls and positions... a mob mentality... but if you don't become a posting junkie first... and take time to read and learn the climate... you're gonna have issues... happens in life... you will see how conflicting thoughts are handled better than others.. Sushi has some dramatically different views than many members.. but her style and content have earned her the respect to convey those views... I do think the membership volume is part of the root cause... 6000 users and growing daily is huge...

In life, every new member to a group is treated with skepticism until they "prove their worth".. including the new boss... including the new person you have just met.. or dating.. respect must be earned... I believe the board can deal with the different ideas and opinions... but we do need some lessons in style and dealing with others in a respectful way...

2) Why do we bash those that don't seem up to the general board standards. Even though they don't really break any board rules. The prime example here is TG05. ... Why don't we take the time to make suggestions and offer these folks alternatives and ideas that will help them adjust to BuckeyePlanet?
You picked a great example... 2000 posts in 3 months is insane... unless it's an individual like NYB who wreaks with wisdom then there has to be a maturity level to understand when you're being obnoxious... repetitive.. and boring... and when it's pointed out to the member and they chose to ignore it.. or worse yet, lash back... then they just have to accept the consequences.. this happens in life... sometimes ya gotta hit a donkey in the head with a 2X4 before they'll listen.. and sometimes that doesn't even work.. sometimes divorces have to happen... this is life

3) Why is the underlying current of 'race' and 'homophobia' allowed to exist at BuckeyePlanet.
Cuz this is a testosterone loaded board... and that's the way "real men" are supposed to act and talk... It's 2005.. and all members know the realities that race and homophobia exist... and in real life, I doubt any of the members are as cold and tough sounding to other diversities in person... but we do need some lessons in style and dealing with others in a respectful way...

4) Does self policing work?
we do need some lessons in style and dealing with others in a respectful way... but whichever mod(s) do the hand smacking, they must be pretty pristine.. else it won't work.. someone like Deety might be perfect... she also has earned immense respect... and has never crossed the line... altho it also would be a thankless position to have

just my thoughts...
 
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im reading these comments, and have a question for the mods.

is that part of the yearly discussion that seems to me occurs after the recruting season (aka this places down time) or is it in response to an "incident" or a group of incidents or building atmosphere?
 
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