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Buckeye Receivers - 2005

Tlangs said:
you aren't wrong. He has more potential to help the team on offense....but If he is going to be blocking for 75% of the game, put Roy Hall in, it will help the offense more. That is definitely a valid point.

However, he should play offense and we need to feature him like all the talk was this offseason.

We have played two games and Ginn has......what..... 12 touches on offense. That isn't gonna get it done. I still can't beleive that we didn't try to get him the ball more. I was watching the second half of the game in complete and total awe. My wife who knows nothing about football said "why don't they pass the ball to that guy that was on the cover of sports illustrated." Maybe we should sign her up as offensive co-ordinator.

I know he had a couple drops, but you still need to get him the ball.
first of all, when the kid is getting double covered the entire game, he's not gonna see the ball as much... second, i can think of three times off the top of my head that Ginn was supposed to get the ball, but didn't: there were 2 reverses called, one Troy dropped the snap, and the other was blown up when Datish whiffed his block... there was also a pass play called for him, when he was in single coverage, and HE RAN THE WRONG ROUTE. JZ took the snap, and immediately set up to throw a quick out. Ginn had other ideas, and ran- umm- kind of a slant-type thing... anyway, JZ had to pull the ball down, and look for the second option, which was Santonio running a deep in, 18 yards upfield, on the opposite side... credit has to go to JZ for getting the ball to Holmes in spite of getting hit by 3 Texas defenders while he threw... but some of the reason that Teddy didn't get the ball as much as we think he should is the result of his own lack of execution...

look, i love the kid as much as anyone, but i think he's pressing... all he needs to do is relax and let the game come to him, and he'll be fine...

edit: this is from the-Ozone... i think it's pertinent...
the-Ozone said:
Disappearing Act: Ted Ginn had a nice game on special teams, racking up 90 return yards on three kickoff returns and one punt return. From scrimmage, however, it was a different story. Ginn had just three touches that resulted in just nine yards receiving on two catches and minus two yards rushing. Seven net yards from Ted Ginn on offense is probably not what anybody had in mind. The Buckeyes did try to get the ball to Ginn with the bubble screen, but that play was not very successful.


"Unlike last week, they were overloading our side where Ted was in the backfield," explained wide receiver Anthony Gonzalez.

"Last week we got a lot of bubbles because of the way that Miami was playing it. Texas did a great job of taking it away. That was by alignment. They were well-coached and decided they didn't want get beat on the bubble," Gonzalez said.

That raises the question of why the Buckeyes didn't try to get the ball to Ginn down field. The answer, it turns out, is that they did try, they just didn't execute.

"There were a couple of things that were called that didn't come off, the quarterback pulled it down or whatever," said offensive coordinator Jim Bollman.

"There was one time that we called him on a deep one and Justin ended up hitting Santonio on a dig for a big gain."

According to Troy Smith, Ginn's disappearance wasn't so much what Texas did, but what the Buckeyes failed to do.

"I don't think they did much to take him out of the game. In certain looks, decision making, we (the OSU quarterbacks) didn't do what we should have," said Smith.
 
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Ted Ginn Jr.

Before I rip the coaching staff, I'd like to know if Ted Ginn Jr is in the doghouse? I think its crazy that he didn't get more touches in the game. Also, did anyone have a long talk with the special teams coach about that pooch kick at the end of the first half????
 
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If he was in the doghouse I doubt he would have even been on the field.

The offensive gameplan was not good. Ted has been a WR for a year and a half now. He's gone through half a season, spring ball, and summer. He should be able to run something other than a bubble screen.

Let the kid go downfield and try to make a play.

Let the kid go downfield and take a corner and a safety with him, they can't cover all the talent on this team.

Ted Ginn was underutilized in this game. I was shocked.
 
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Ted Ginn was underutilized in this game. I was shocked.

Well, in addition to this:
first of all, when the kid is getting double covered the entire game, he's not gonna see the ball as much... second, i can think of three times off the top of my head that Ginn was supposed to get the ball, but didn't: there were 2 reverses called, one Troy dropped the snap, and the other was blown up when Datish whiffed his block... there was also a pass play called for him, when he was in single coverage, and HE RAN THE WRONG ROUTE. JZ took the snap, and immediately set up to throw a quick out. Ginn had other ideas, and ran- umm- kind of a slant-type thing... anyway, JZ had to pull the ball down, and look for the second option, which was Santonio running a deep in, 18 yards upfield, on the opposite side...
... he also dropped to screen passes (one from each QB). So, in addition to the actual runs/catches he did get, there were three plays that LV listed above and two dropped screens. That's 5 more touches. Not exactly 4/quarter, but not shabby considering he was double-covered quite a bit.
 
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first of all, when the kid is getting double covered the entire game, he's not gonna see the ball as much... second, i can think of three times off the top of my head that Ginn was supposed to get the ball, but didn't: there were 2 reverses called, one Troy dropped the snap, and the other was blown up when Datish whiffed his block... there was also a pass play called for him, when he was in single coverage, and HE RAN THE WRONG ROUTE. JZ took the snap, and immediately set up to throw a quick out. Ginn had other ideas, and ran- umm- kind of a slant-type thing... anyway, JZ had to pull the ball down, and look for the second option, which was Santonio running a deep in, 18 yards upfield, on the opposite side...


... he also dropped to screen passes (one from each QB). So, in addition to the actual runs/catches he did get, there were three plays that LV listed above and two dropped screens. That's 5 more touches. Not exactly 4/quarter, but not shabby considering he was double-covered quite a bit.

1. ginn was double covered - ok, and why was ginn being double covered? no team should ever have the ability to double any of our receivers without opening up a SERIOUS hole in their d. thats the whole point of the spread offense, but then... had we actually ran that offense even a little... if ginn is being doubled then gonzo, holmes, hall, the running game, ect.. should be WIDE open. its not ginn's fault he couldn't beat double coverage, no receiver should be expected to. anytime a wr pulls double coverage thats a win for the o! same as it is a win for the d when a d lineman is doubled. it is the coaching staff's mistake for not making texas pay dearly for doubling any of our receivers.

2. troy dropping snaps - well no kidding. if the coaching staff didn't fully realize that there would be stupid mental mistakes commited by ts in this game they need their heads examined. ive been screaming about the dangers of putting ts in a game of this magnitude for his first playing time of the year since the week his suspension was handed down. if ts dropping a snap is going to cause you to change the way you play your offense... don't play him! tOSU doesn't stop being tOSU just because ts isn't available. if thats the case... we have MUCH bigger problems than ts making mental mistakes.

3. datish missed a block - yep... happens in every single game. stupid mental error. this is game #2. the coaching staff should be expecting this sort of thing. you don't retard your offense cause someone "might make a mistake".

4. ginn ran the wrong route - i wonder if there has been a football game in the last 10 years (college or pro) in which a team went an entire 4 qrts without atleast 1 wr running the wrong route. id be willing to put money down that it hasn't. in todays football world with all the hot reads and adjustments happening at the line after plays are called, its practically impossible for this to not happen atleast once in a game. which is why it is so important for a qb to be able to check down to his 2nd, 3rd +, and his outlet.

5. 2 dropped balls early - holmes was the only guy who didn't have a case of dropsies early in the game. hall might not have dropped any, i can't remember. thats all part of big games. holmes dropped an easy catch at the 1 against miami (oh). ginn allowed himself to get bumped out of an easy reception that was perfectly thrown inside the 5 against miami (oh). we didn't scrub our offensive gameplan then. why this time?

none of the above are reasons to pack it in on offense and forget about attempting to drive the field and score. nor are they reasons to stop trying to get the ball into your playmakers hands. they want to double ginn? fine! let em!! we go 4 or 5 wide and let them pick their poison. we DO NOT go power eye 2 te sets with max protect allowing only 2 wr's into the pattern to make it that much easier for texas to double ginn. ginn is having trouble holding onto the ball? give him easier touches. he will calm down and will get his feet under him again. you don't abandon your offensive scheme and players because they came out and let their nerves and adrenaline rush get the better of them. you let them settle down and you play your game.

jt is a great coach. he's also a human being. sat night he showed that he is very much falable. that doesn't mean there weren't other factors that contributed to the loss. sat night was a fundamental break down in execution, preparation, and play calling. *shrug* noone can be expected to perform at their absolute best day in and day out. tressel had a bad night. it just happened to occur at a very inoportune time. unfortunately texas was more than capable of taking advantage.
 
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TSN:Buckeyes must get ball to Ginn, Holmes

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=17382

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Buckeyes must get ball to Ginn, Holmes
Posted: September 16, 2005

Associated Press


COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Ted Ginn Jr. has been called one of the fastest players to play college football. In his last 20 games, Santonio Holmes has scored 16 touchdowns.
Yet in Ohio State's 25-22 loss to No. 2 Texas on Saturday night, they were almost invisible, combining to run the ball once and catch six passes.
"I think any playmaker's going to be frustrated with not touching the ball at least 10, 15 times a game," Holmes said. "But it's a team sport. I just think you have to make the best of every time you do touch it."
The ninth-ranked Buckeyes (1-1) may go to extremes to get the ball to their gamebreakers -- Ginn, Holmes, Roy Hall, Tony Gonzalez and Anthony Pittman -- when they host San Diego State (0-2) on Saturday.
"The number one thing that a quarterback needs to do is make sure that guys like Santonio and Teddy and Gonzo and Antonio and Roy and so forth get the ball in their hands to make plays," coach Jim Tressel said in announcing that Troy Smith would start at quarterback.
Opposing defenses gear up for Ohio State's fastest players.
"We've got to try to neutralize Ted Ginn and Santonio Holmes," San Diego State coach Tom Craft said. "Ginn may be the best return specialist in the country, too. They make an effort to put it in their hands and see what they can do with it."
Yet the game plan for Texas didn't seem to offer many opportunities for either Smith or Justin Zwick to get the ball to the Buckeyes' fastest players. Rather than make Texas have to defend their sprinters, the Buckeyes took them out of the game by not going to them.
Ginn was the only wideout to run the ball, losing two yards on his only carry. Holmes had four catches and Gonzalez, Hall and Ginn had two apiece.
Ginn said the Buckeyes have tricks up their sleeves but just haven't shown them yet.
"It's the second week," he said. "We can't come out with everything yet."
For Ginn, the touches weren't a problem -- it was the catches. He dropped two balls that hit him right in the hands.
Smith took the blame for the Buckeyes' lack of big-play offense.
"We had ample opportunities to get the ball in the hands of the guys that we need to," he said. "Whether it be on my part or I made a bad decision to go somewhere else and not get it to those guys, we have plays designed to get it to them."
Smith ran the ball 13 times, including two sacks. He said that all 11 runs were called in the huddle -- he wasn't trying to be creative while playing keepaway from Ohio State's other speedsters.
So maybe Tressel and offensive coordinator Jim Bollman need to take a long look at how they are using Ginn, Holmes and Co. Tressel and Bollman have said they intend to build their offense on speed, yet last week's game seemed to refute that.
Holmes said the Buckeyes need to identify the people who can get them into the end zone.
"It's really just ... knowing who's capable of making plays, having better play-calling and we just have to execute the plays that are being called," he said.
Ginn said winning was what mattered, far more than his own contributions. "You know it's not all about how many times I touch the ball," he said. Many people, however, think it is.
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Am I the only person that read this and immediately thought......."no shit?"

yeah, half of that i have been saying over and over and over since the end of last season. the other have i have been saying all week.

"It's really just ... knowing who's capable of making plays, having better play-calling and we just have to execute the plays that are being called," he said.

pretty much, yeah.
 
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Am I the only person that read this and immediately thought......."no shit?"

And on a related note, this just in...the Buckeyes will attempt to keep the ball for most of the game, thus preventing San Diego State from scoring points. Coach Tressel sees keeping points off the San Diego State board to be a priority this week.

WTF? Mr. Obvious? Is that you? Do they get paid to write these?
 
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TSN also thinks its important OU get a QB sometime this season and that its even more important that a team win all of their games in order to secure a Rose Bowl spot.

Pulitzer Prize material I tell you.
 
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