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Browns Draft

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daddyphatsacs said:
Wasn't Tim Couch the product of a pro system?
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Not at all. The funky passing game they had going on at Kentucky would have never worked in the pros. A better version of it was attempted to be run in Cleveland but it sucked, miserably.

At least, that's what I remember, I may be wrong.
 
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Cleveland has to trade down. As Much as we need a QB and a RB there is no one in this draft at the #3 pick that is a must get.


Trade down and get a couple OL's then pick up a running back in the late rounds. It sucks because the Browns need everything.
 
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KretchBuck said:
Cleveland has to trade down. As Much as we need a QB and a RB there is no one in this draft at the #3 pick that is a must get.


Trade down and get a couple OL's then pick up a running back in the late rounds. It sucks because the Browns need everything.
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It is just so easy to trade down, I mean everyone is clamoring to trade up to draft... ummm, who??? Some things are easier said than done. :ohwell:
 
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It is just so easy to trade down, I mean everyone is clamoring to trade up to draft... ummm, who??? Some things are easier said than done.
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That's the tricky thing...

To be quite honest... I think they need to trade down as well they just need to expect to not get a whole heck of a lot to do it.

The hope is...of course... that the top the guys in the draft will be hot commodities... and then maybe people will be "clamoring".... But even then the Browns need at least 2 guys who are going to make an impact and if they have to take a 1st and a second, and maybe a second next year to drop to the mid first round, I think they have to consider that... What they can't do...and IMO, what no team can ever do... is to reach on someone, and then overpay a guy that only deserves mid or late first round money.

Really... its tough to gauge this stuff until after the combine... because that's when you get guys that people had in the back of their head who blow up, and people get enamored with the measurables... all of the sudden maybe Mike Williams has a big workout... etc.

Well... Leinart is 'supposed' to announce today (I guess its a personal deadline) and the Best thing that could happen to the Browns is that he decides to come out... which would add a guy to that top 3 that people might "clamor" for.
 
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Savante said:
Not at all. The funky passing game they had going on at Kentucky would have never worked in the pros. A better version of it was attempted to be run in Cleveland but it sucked, miserably.

At least, that's what I remember, I may be wrong.
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you're right. KY ran a run and gun style, 4-5 WR system with no FB and no TE usually. EVerything was 5-10 yard routes. Very similiar to what Texas Tech runs now. It was a good system for a team desperate for some success but it doesn't work in the pros. Clev tried to do the 4 man shotgun sets but Couch didn't have the arm or the read skills to properly utilize it.

KretchBuck said:
Cleveland has to trade down. As Much as we need a QB and a RB there is no one in this draft at the #3 pick that is a must get.


Trade down and get a couple OL's then pick up a running back in the late rounds. It sucks because the Browns need everything.
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the only reason why you trade down is because you are set on one guy and you can afford to move down a spot or two because you think he'll be there. I just have a hard time thinking about trading down from the #3 pick unless it's a deal that knocks them off their feet. There's 5-6 guys worthy of that pick currently in the draft.

and about Barron..I've seen him twice and I like him alot. Quick feet for a guy that big and doesn't get overpowered. Unless the combine says differently, I think he's worthy of the #3 pick.

You know who I'm really starting to like is Alex Smith of Utah. That kid can flat out play and I just have a feeling he could be the best player in the draft.
 
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There's 5-6 guys worthy of that pick currently in the draft.
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No.. there is only one guy worthy of the 3... that's the problem of getting the best value out of the pick, whether they use it or not.


and about Barron..I've seen him twice and I like him alot. Quick feet for a guy that big and doesn't get overpowered. Unless the combine says differently, I think he's worthy of the #3 pick.
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Might be... but he'll only be worth what everyone else thinks he's worth...
 
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Out of the guys currently going pro; Rodgers, Benson, Alex Smith, Barron, Rolle, Derrick Johnson, Ronnie Brown, Erasmus, Rodrique Wright, maybe Thomas Davis (think Eric Turner but 10 pounds heavier), Mike Williams, are all possibly worth a top 5 pick in my opinion. I just don't follow the opinion that only a 1-2 guys are worth that pick...really in any draft.
 
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"the only reason why you trade down is because you are set on one guy and you can afford to move down a spot or two because you think he'll be there"


No... you trade down because there's nobody at your slot that really excites you for the money they'll be making, and you try to pick up a little something extra in exchange for not dropping too far.
 
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KevinBuck said:
"the only reason why you trade down is because you are set on one guy and you can afford to move down a spot or two because you think he'll be there"


No... you trade down because there's nobody at your slot that really excites you for the money they'll be making, and you try to pick up a little something extra in exchange for not dropping too far.
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isn't that the same thing?
 
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No, it's not the same thing. In one situation you drop down to get a specific guy because he's not worth the higher-pick money, in the other you drop down because nobody really excites you and you can get something extra in exchange.

You said the former was the only reason you drop down, and that's what I disagreed with.
 
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You gotta have somebody you like. Whether he fits the draft slot or not. You can obviously trade down to get more picks but if you're in the top of the first round, I've never heard of anyone trading down just to trade down and I've also never heard of anyone not liking anyone in the top 5 before. I guess I should have been more clear about trading down in the high first round compared to the later rounds.
 
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GoofyBuckeye said:
Out of the guys currently going pro; Rodgers, Benson, Alex Smith, Barron, Rolle, Derrick Johnson, Ronnie Brown, Erasmus, Rodrique Wright, maybe Thomas Davis (think Eric Turner but 10 pounds heavier), Mike Williams, are all possibly worth a top 5 pick in my opinion. I just don't follow the opinion that only a 1-2 guys are worth that pick...really in any draft.
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Yes they are possibly worth a Top 5 pick this year. But for example only a few of these guys would have been Top 10 picks in last years draft. Everything I have read in draft scouting is that this year's crop of players are weak at the top, but has depth from 10-30.

But about trading the pick. You trade down for the following reasons...

#1 - The guy you really like will still be available if you trade down a few picks
#2 - You see no difference between the #3 guy on your board and #10 guy on the board.
#3 - You are offered enough picks in the trade that you can get more players that can directly help the team. For example, we need Offensive Lineman and no one is worth the #3 pick yet. So if you can trade down to #12 area you can draft for need and then the extra picks you can get more Offensive Lineman that can help out now (like a late first rounder, or a few 2nd rounders)
#4 - You are cap strapped and cannot afford (or prefer not to pay) #3 money.
 
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Out of the guys currently going pro; Rodgers, Benson, Alex Smith, Barron, Rolle, Derrick Johnson, Ronnie Brown, Erasmus, Rodrique Wright, maybe Thomas Davis (think Eric Turner but 10 pounds heavier), Mike Williams, are all possibly worth a top 5 pick in my opinion. I just don't follow the opinion that only a 1-2 guys are worth that pick...really in any draft.
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Okay.. here's the thing though... you've got 11 guys there. Lets's say Leinert comes out and goes one.... and (For the sake of argument lets say Rodgers goes two)

That means you've got ten guys left who are 'worthy' of three spots... and talentwise you might be right... But that's not how it works. Your team need.. the team needs behind you... salary cap considerations and position (and the number of guys at a position) all play into it...

The interesting thin about the group you picked here, is that after the QB's, they all play different positions... okay with 2 RB's.

So... that by itself puts Thomas Davis at the bottom of the group just because he's a safety.... No longer worth the third pick... (Hey... if athletic ability and "sure fire" talent were all that's involved... who wouldn't have taken Sean Taylor number one?)

Same thing with a lot of Linebackers... though Johnson might be an exception.

Either Cedric Benson or Ronnie Brown are better than the other... Another guy... so one of them is no longer worth the third pick.

So it leaves you now... with one each CB, WR, OT, DT, DE, LB, QB and the leftover RB.

If their talent is equivalent... one is worth more to you than someone else... and conversely... someone else has a different need. Otherwise you might just drop to 10 for no good reason.

Thus the guy who deserves to be taken third is the guy who gets taken third.

My take is that if the Browns Like Rolle or Barron enough at 3, take them. But I still think a couple of the other guys might be 'better' players.(Derrick Johnson... I just dont like paying LB's that much... plus.. they could be looking at 3-4 coaches so... I can't say what the LB value is for as far as the Browns are concerned)....

I think Barron is a reach at 3.

I think Rolle is a good risk there, but... there are going to be teams who I think will be willing to pay for Rolle, Williams, and the hotter of the two RB's...

And you can always do something if there are 4 guys you like and soemone only wants you to drop 3 spots. (See Detroit bending Butchems over)

Having said all that.. theis draft is pretty darned thin, IMO. There jsut aren't guys with the measurables and the Resume... Williams, yeah... James, maybe... could be quicker... but it just doesnt' have that top 10 star power friom last year... and I think Roethlisberger went 11th?
 
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