Browns(-2.5) at Ravens

[Buckin' A]

Forget him. He's been on that trip all season. Some people forget how hard it is to find a competent quarterback. They think every first round QB will turn out to be a stud - when, in reality, most are duds. Just look at Kyle Boller.

But maybe he's right. Look at how inconsistent Peyton Manning has been the last two games. Hopefully the Colts can trade him for a first round pick or some defensive help.

I don't think he's out of line at all. If we could get a 1st and 3rd round pick for him, I'd do it in a minute. DA has gotten better, but the system is much better also and I think BQ will do well in it too. I think DA is some of the reason we are better, but not the reason.

He is one of those QB's who you can love and hate within 5 minutes. One minute he's threading the needle and the next he throwing it right to a defender or at our guys feet. I guess what I'm saying is that I think DA has helped us, but his trade value will never be higher. I'm afraid he may show his true colors soon and we won't get shit for him. I'm not sold that he's an elite qb....servicable, but not elite.

 

[Buckin' A]

Some great post game thoughts from the Dog Pound....


1. Josh Cribbs is god.

2. Only the Browns would win this way. How, physically, is it possible that the ball can deflect off an upright, hit the bottom upright, and bounce back onto the field? I seriously thought we would get fucked on that one.

3. Yes, Anderson made some key throws down the field at the end of the game, but IMO, he's looked like dogshit for the last 6 quarters. He's developed happy-feet in the face of generally an imaginary pass-rush, and pretty much cannot complete a pass less than 10 yards. Memo to DA: Bounce passes are allowed in basketball, not football.

4. Lewis played with some real passion today, often turning 2 yard gains into 5+. Still think he stutter-steps too much at times though.

5. Its amazing, for most of the season, I hated the DLine. Now, I'm starting to hate the LB's too... Andra Davis needs replaced with a Patrick Willis type in the middle.

6. Leigh Bodden, IMO, has turned from the Browns most underrated player to their most overrated in less than two or so years. Congrats.

7. Josh Cribbs is god. Can't believe Baltimore refused to pooch-kick all day. Thank you.

8. Solomon Wilcots sucks major cock. One of the great, generally over-looked pleasures of the Browns hopefully becoming a consistently good team is that some other fans will get the extreme pleasure of having him ramble on about nothing. It will be nice to get some decent broadcasting crews in to do the Browns games.

9. Need an example of how much Wilcots sucks?: His rambling diatribe about the "fantastic" play Ray Lewis made to score his touchdown. You know, the one where Jurevicus was wide open streaking across the middle of the field and DA threw behind him by 5 feet to a statue-esque Ray Lewis. News Flash: a parapalegic could of scored on that gift from Anderson.

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[kartaron]

I don't think he's out of line at all. If we could get a 1st and 3rd round pick for him, I'd do it in a minute. DA has gotten better, but the system is much better also and I think BQ will do well in it too. I think DA is some of the reason we are better, but not the reason.

He is one of those QB's who you can love and hate within 5 minutes. One minute he's threading the needle and the next he throwing it right to a defender or at our guys feet. I guess what I'm saying is that I think DA has helped us, but his trade value will never be higher. I'm afraid he may show his true colors soon and we won't get shit for him. I'm not sold that he's an elite qb....servicable, but not elite.

Top 11 YPG
Top 4 Tds
fewer picks than Eli, Romo, Brees, Rivers, Peyton, Vince Young, Palmer
higher QB rating than Cutler, Schaub, Warner, Hasselbeck
only Romo has more completions over 20 yards.
6-3 as a starter with a MAC level defense.

If you're lucky Quinn will be this good in 3-4 years. If not you'll be drafting Clausen after another 2 win season.

 

[LitlBuck]

Forget him. He's been on that trip all season. Some people forget how hard it is to find a competent quarterback. They think every first round QB will turn out to be a stud - when, in reality, most are duds. Just look at Kyle Boller.

But maybe he's right. Look at how inconsistent Peyton Manning has been the last two games. Hopefully the Colts can trade him for a first round pick or some defensive help.

If you guys don't think we should trade DA sometime during the off-season how much money do you want to give him for a long-term contract since he is a RFA at the end of this season. You really want to tie it up the majority of our cap space on 2 QBs? We need a lot of help on defense and we do not have a first-round pick this year. If we have the majority of our money tied up in QBs how are we going to sign some free-agent defensive help or get some draft picks.

Comparing Anderson to Manning is just stupid. I am just saying that I think Anderson has been inconsistent in the past couple games and I don't think that his short game is very good. I also don't like tying up all of our money on two QBs. If you could tell me where we can get the draft picks or money and still hold on to 2 QBs I would love to hear your advice.

 

[kartaron]

If you guys don't think we should trade DA sometime during the off-season how much money do you want to give him for a long-term contract since he is a RFA at the end of this season. You really want to tie it up the majority of our cap space on 2 QBs? We need a lot of help on defense and we do not have a first-round pick this year. If we have the majority of our money tied up in QBs how are we going to sign some free-agent defensive help or get some draft picks.

Comparing Anderson to Manning is just stupid. I am just saying that I think Anderson has been inconsistent in the past couple games and I don't think that his short game is very good. I also don't like tying up all of our money on two QBs. If you could tell me where we can get the draft picks or money and still hold on to 2 QBs I would love to hear your advice.

If I remember right the Browns had 22 mil in cap space before the draft. You only pay Quinn ~4 mil per year. I forget what the OT got but there should be around 10 mil left. Thats plenty to either keep Quinn or pick up a Testaverde type backup and trade Quinn.

Personally I think you should try to get that first rounder back from the Rams or the Bears for BQ. Both should be looking for a young QB. If a first rounder isnt possible, depth at DT, DE should be a priority and the Vikings have both with no decent QBs. Middle round LBs are good enough to play on lots of teams so that should be a pretty easy solution.

 

[billmac91]

how bout trading Quinn since we now know Anderson is capable of leading this offense, and he's only 26. We could still possibly get a 1st rounder out of Quinn, especially w/ how bad the QB class is this year

 

[kartaron]

how bout trading Quinn since we now know Anderson is capable of leading this offense, and he's only 26. We could still possibly get a 1st rounder out of Quinn, especially w/ how bad the QB class is this year

With Woodson, Brohm, Ryan, Booty, not counting guys going early it looks pretty good for QB prospects. They might need to move him early.

 

[LitlBuck]

how bout trading Quinn since we now know Anderson is capable of leading this offense, and he's only 26. We could still possibly get a 1st rounder out of Quinn, especially w/ how bad the QB class is this year

With Woodson, Brohm, Ryan, Booty, not counting guys going early it looks pretty good for QB prospects. They might need to move him early.

I see that we each have our own opinion. I believe trading BQ and keep being DA would be a huge mistake but we each have our own opinions and unfortunately I disagree with years as you do with mine.

 

[billmac91]

With Woodson, Brohm, Ryan, Booty, not counting guys going early it looks pretty good for QB prospects. They might need to move him early.

I think that list is pretty weak IMO.....there isn't anyone on there that doesn't have some serious question marks in NFL GM's minds

Brady Quinn would easily be compared the better QB to any of those guys....Personally, I'd rather keep Anderson give him a nice contract, trade Quinn to a team that needs a QB, and take a lock down corner (Cason or Jenkins) or big-time DE/DT

 

[kartaron]

I see that we each have our own opinion. I believe trading BQ and keep being DA would be a huge mistake but we each have our own opinions and unfortunately I disagree with years as you do with mine.

Oh I understand your position, but as a fins fan, I know the Dolphins would trade Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor to get a QB that won games like DA. They might even throw in Marino for good luck.

 

[kartaron]

I think that list is pretty weak IMO.....there isn't anyone on there that doesn't have some serious question marks in NFL GM's minds

Brady Quinn would easily be compared the better QB to any of those guys....Personally, I'd rather keep Anderson give him a nice contract, trade Quinn to a team that needs a QB, and take a lock down corner (Cason or Jenkins) or big-time DE/DT

21 teams passed on Quinn. He wasnt that solid a lock.

just saw that kick on replay... how does that happen?

 

[billmac91]

I see that we each have our own opinion. I believe trading BQ and keep being DA would be a huge mistake but we each have our own opinions and unfortunately I disagree with years as you do with mine.

Nature of the beast when it comes to evaluating talent.....I see us at 6-4, could be a lot better with some timely FG's, and no defense

We haven't had a QB do jack shit in how long?

I agree Chud deserves a ton of credit w/ the new offense, but keep in mind just how bad the offense was with Charlie Frye and how much better it became with Anderson

The only knock on him so far is he can play inconsistent at times, but that inconsistency is from his knack for wanting to get rid of the ball early, which is certainly better than the alternative (holding it too long)

Again, hes only 26 and will get better with more time in the system and experience

Theres no guarantee Quinn can run this offense with the same effieciency Derek Anderson has......If I were a San Diego fan I'd prefer Drew Brees to Philip Rivers

I don't think Kitna to Palmer is a fair comparison due to the age difference, but thats the comparison most fans will make when siding with Quinn

 

[LitlBuck]

I think that list is pretty weak IMO.....there isn't anyone on there that doesn't have some serious question marks in NFL GM's minds

Brady Quinn would easily be compared the better QB to any of those guys....Personally, I'd rather keep Anderson give him a nice contract, trade Quinn to a team that needs a QB, and take a lock down corner (Cason or Jenkins) or big-time DE/DT

21 teams passed on Quinn. He wasnt that solid a lock.

just saw that kick on replay... how does that happen?

The Browns would not trade BQ before Anderson--book it! If they do, contact me when it happens and I will give you 50,000 greenies.

Teams draft on need.

You two need to get a room together

 

[OH10]

Comparing Anderson to Manning is just stupid. I am just saying that I think Anderson has been inconsistent in the past couple games and I don't think that his short game is very good. I also don't like tying up all of our money on two QBs. If you could tell me where we can get the draft picks or money and still hold on to 2 QBs I would love to hear your advice.

Actually, my point was that you can nitpick any fucking quarterback in the league if you wanted to. Big Ben struggled today. Carson Palmer threw a dumb pass for an interception. Peyton threw 6 picks last week and led his team to only 13 points this week. Against Buffalo, Romo looked like Ryan Leaf.

Derek Anderson has been terrific at times and not-so-terrific at times, just like every other quarterback in this league. If you want to call that inconsistently, then you will never be satisfied with anyone the Browns put under center.

I don't think the Browns need to make a choice. They will not have to pay a high first round pick this year. That's a good thing. And if they do have to make a choice, you go with the guy that has shown he can do it on the field. If you go with Quinn and he turns into the next Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Cade McNown, Akili Smith, Alex Smith, Kyle Boller, Heath Shuler, David Klinger (I could go on forever), rather than the next Donovan McNabb or Peyton Manning, THEN YOU FUCKED UP BIG TIME.

Don't be such spoiled fucking fans. The doubts most people had about Brady Quinn don't just go away because he's been on the bench. Everyone thinks that the guy they haven't seen must be better than the guy on the field. That's such a stupid mentality. Be happy this team is 6-4. Be happy that they have a quarterback that can win a game on his own when he's on. And stop the whining. Some of the people on this thread bitching and moaning when it looked that they were going to lose make me embarrassed to be a Browns' fan

 

[billmac91]

The Browns would not trade BQ before Anderson--book it! If they do, contact me when it happens and I will give you 50,000 greenies.

Teams draft on need.

You two need to get a room together

I know they won't trade BQ before Anderson, I just think that would be a better move for the franchise