Golferdow01
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The last 2 columns being TD's and INT's. Looks like he's doing pretty well to me, especially with all the injuries he's facing on the offense...
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LoKyBuckeye
I give up. This board is too hard to understand.
GD01... don't take the bait **cough cough** Tibor ** cough cough**.
did you see Brett run down the field after he threw it and tip the ball? amazing!!!
did you see Brett run down the field after he threw it and tip the ball? amazing!!!
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Golferdow01
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I haven't eaten anything all day...so the worm was looking fabulous! Favre is the f*ing man, that's all I can say
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I haven't eaten anything all day...so the worm was looking fabulous! Favre is the f*ing man, that's all I can say
Favre looked like himself of old for 2 or 3 long drives today then reality set back in and he just didn't have enough in the tank. Problem for GB was they only got 7 points out of all that TOP and gave the Steelers 7 on a fumble.
Can't get a chance against a good team and miss.
Favre is beyond a doubt one of the best ever. His durability and toughness are almost incomprehensible.
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The Packers just don't have anyone left. It's a shame but there's no weapons out there to choose from, Given equal talent, I still think he's as good as anyone. It's just not equal this year!!!!!!!!
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LoKyBuckeye
I give up. This board is too hard to understand.
I really liked Gado today... he came out of nowhere and had a decent game for a 5th string RB.
Favre was Favre today... some mistakes... some great plays.... it's been said a lot in this thread.... the Pack has so little talent it's ridiculous. It was nice to see Kenny Peterson finally step up a little and have some good plays.
Favre was Favre today... some mistakes... some great plays.... it's been said a lot in this thread.... the Pack has so little talent it's ridiculous. It was nice to see Kenny Peterson finally step up a little and have some good plays.
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BuckeyeInTheBoro
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You gotta love a guy who was 3rd string RB at LIBERTY getting in an NFL game and doing well... especially when MoC is somewhere playing his own NFL game - Madden 2006 on his Playstation!
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OSUBasketballJunkie
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12/30/05
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=yspsctnhdln>Struggling Favre undecided on retirement</TD></TR><TR><TD height=7><SPACER type="block" width="1" height="1"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>By CHRIS JENKINS, AP Sports Writer
December 29, 2005
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GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP) -- Last Sunday's game against the Chicago Bears offered proof Brett Favre has still got it: a 56-yard dart to wide receiver Donald Driver, putting the Packers in position for a last-minute comeback.
What happened next is why people are wondering if Favre's time is up.
Back-to-back sacks, a desperation heave for an interception -- his fourth of the game and career-worst 28th of the season -- and another Packers loss.
"He's trying to do everything possible to win that game, somehow, some way," said Seattle coach Mike Holmgren, Favre's former mentor in Green Bay. "You can't do it by yourself. I don't care how great you are. You need protection, you need somebody to hand it to, somebody to catch it."
Injuries and free agency have cost Favre most of his supporting cast this year, but that's only one reason Sunday's game against Holmgren's Seahawks at Lambeau Field might be Favre's last.
With victories suddenly hard to come by for the Packers (3-12), the football field no longer serves as a sanctuary from his family's recent string of hardship. Favre also wonders if the team's management is preparing to rebuild without him, and is just trying to figure out how to break the news to him.
And Favre doesn't see a losing season, his first in 14 years in Green Bay, as motivation to return.
"I've had so many people say, 'Well, you can't go out that way. You've got to come back and redeem yourself and redeem this team's season,"' Favre said. "But in all honesty, if this is it, I have gone out on top. I mean, I really have. One season does not define me, no matter how good or how bad it is."
Physically, Favre, 36, says he feels fine. Nobody's arguing with him.
"He still runs around, still plays with passion," Packers general manager Ted Thompson said. "I don't see anything diminished there."
Holmgren says Favre is still throwing well and might be moving his feet better than in recent years, the result of ramped-up offseason workouts with a personal trainer.
But Holmgren wonders if the game is wearing on Favre mentally.
"Not many guys can do what Brett's done for 15 years," Holmgren said. "But then you get turnover with players, you get turnover with coaches. When that part of the game stops being what you remember it as being, then I think it bothers them."
There has been a lot of turnover on the Packers' offense. Starting guards Mike Wahle and Marco Rivera signed with new teams in the offseason. Then they lost several top players to injuries, most notably wide receiver Javon Walker, running back Ahman Green and tight end Bubba Franks.
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"At times, I've tried to offset the personnel problems we've had or basically tried to cover for everyone else when I didn't need to, and maybe, at times, have hurt the team," Favre said.
Even when the Packers were winning, Favre's willingness to take chances often resulted in interceptions.
"But the problem is that we're not good enough to overcome those mistakes that I make, where in the past maybe we were able to," Favre said.
Favre's poor decisions have led to criticism of the quarterback and his coaches, who can't seem to rein in Favre's freelancing the way Holmgren once did.
"He wants us to win," offensive coordinator Tom Rossley said. "I'm sure he doesn't want to throw the picks. And he knows what to do -- says all the right things, does all the right things in practice. But in a competitive situation, his juices (are) flowing, and he thinks he can make some throws.
Sometimes he hasn't. Sometimes he has."
The Packers bottomed out Dec. 19, an embarrassing 48-3 Monday night loss in Baltimore. The team sat down Favre in the second half to get playing time for Aaron Rodgers, a first-round draft pick who is Favre's apparent successor.
Favre didn't complain, but he is wondering if the team wants him to retire.
"Maybe ... they don't know how to tell Brett Favre, 'We want to go in a different direction,"' Favre said.
Thompson says the team definitely wants Favre back.
There's a third scenario, one that doesn't seem particularly appealing to Favre: The Packers will ask him back, but won't commit to loading up with experienced free agents for one more playoff run.
Favre has hinted he will watch the team's offseason moves before making a decision.
"We have a ways to go to get back to where we were," Favre said, "and what direction this team wants to go may not include me or may include me, but 'Brett, it may take a while to do this, are you willing to go along for a ride or are you willing to possibly have a season like this next year?' So there are no guarantees."
Then there's Favre's family. His father died in December 2003. His wife, Deanna, has survived a battle with breast cancer and mourned the death of her brother in an all-terrain vehicle accident. And several members of Favre's family in Mississippi were displaced in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.
Unlike in years past -- Favre memorably threw for 399 yards and four touchdowns against the Oakland Raiders one day after his father's death -- football hasn't been an escape this year.
"You would hope that after the hurricane hit we could do something on the field to make everyone feel better, but that was not the case," Favre said. "It has been difficult."
So why would Favre come back?
"There is nothing like running out of that tunnel," Holmgren said. "It's quite a rush. Then, all of a sudden, it stops. It's hard to do."
And most people think he still can play.
"Do I think he's capable of it? I'd say without question," Rossley said. "I think he knows that. I think all of our receivers know that. All of our coaches know that. I think the people that maybe question it are those who aren't in practice every day, don't see the way he practices, the fun he has."
Favre said he has to figure out if he can fully commit to another season. He doesn't want people to think he stuck around too long, but doesn't know how to predict when his skills will erode.
"I think there's a fine line," Favre said. "You just don't know." AP Sports Writer Gregg Bell in Seattle contributed to this story.
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I really don't think they want to go in another direction. Hell, even if they did they don't have another direction to go in right now, the Rodgers kid has looked horrible by all accounts in both games and practices, and they don't have any skill players that aren't hurt that they could trade in the off season! Only thing I see is drafting a quarterback and how often is a drafted QB ready to start day one? They could trade a high pick for a quarterback which unfortunately they will probably have to do should Brett retire! I just hope he doesn't, they get a positive draft, and go next season without any important injuries. With everyone healthy, they have the players to compete with anyone in the NFC right now, not counting what they can accomplish on draft day.
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injuries don't stop brett from forcing a ton of passes, even when he has time. They need a bunch of players for both sides of the ball... and a turnover happy QB just makes the situation worse.
Favre needs to retire. It's been great, but being #2 all-time in INTs in one season (with another game to go) is a very telling statistic.
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LoKyBuckeye
I give up. This board is too hard to understand.
That's the way he's always been, he's always forced passes... his WR have always had the ability to go get the ball. Walker started doing that last year and then he got hurt this year. Driver is a good WR but he's not nearly as aggressive as Walker is.
I'd like to see them go defense in the draft. They need a safety and an anchor on the line.
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