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Taosman
Your Cousin In New Mexxico
The fact that Texas passed a Bill about this particular case tells me most of what I need to know about how the Texas Legislature felt about the case.
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Postpartum depression (PPD) is a serious disorder, each year affecting 10% to 15% of women who have delivered children. This disorder, despite its high prevalence, often goes undetected and untreated. In an attempt to address this public health problem, the State of Texas has enacted legislation, House Bill 341 (also known as the "Andrea Yates Bill"), which went into effect on September 1, 2003. This law requires healthcare providers who treat pregnant women to provide them with resource information regarding counseling for postpartum depression and other emotional traumas associated with pregnancy and parenting.
The purpose of this report is to assist HMO Blue Texas network physicians in meeting the intent of this new legislation by providing resource information on PPD. Additional information is provided on symptoms, assessment, risk factors, and treatment for PPD as well as information on the joint HMO Blue Texas and Magellan Behavioral Health Postpartum Prevention Program.
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<TABLE id=content cellSpacing=0 width=464 border=0><TBODY><TR><TH>Medical Management </TH></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>Postpartum Depression and House Bill 341
Postpartum depression (PPD) is a serious disorder, each year affecting 10% to 15% of women who have delivered children. This disorder, despite its high prevalence, often goes undetected and untreated. In an attempt to address this public health problem, the State of Texas has enacted legislation, House Bill 341 (also known as the "Andrea Yates Bill"), which went into effect on September 1, 2003. This law requires healthcare providers who treat pregnant women to provide them with resource information regarding counseling for postpartum depression and other emotional traumas associated with pregnancy and parenting.
The purpose of this report is to assist HMO Blue Texas network physicians in meeting the intent of this new legislation by providing resource information on PPD. Additional information is provided on symptoms, assessment, risk factors, and treatment for PPD as well as information on the joint HMO Blue Texas and Magellan Behavioral Health Postpartum Prevention Program.
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Speaking of the Texas legislature, I would be surprised if there aren't a few of them currently drafting some legal measures to get rid of the 'insanity defense' in the state of Texas.
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Captain Hindsight
The Hero of the Modern Age
I really don't give a shit about any of the laws, or anything in general, relevant to this case. This bitch killed five little, innocent children. Letting her walk free would be a travesty, and completely unjust.
Personally, I think executing her is too easy of a way out. They should lock her in a room just large enough to fit her in, and hang up family photos all over the wall. Then, let's see if she's insane after that.
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So, Texas passes a PC law in knee-jerk reaction to the acquittal...don't make me look up all the absolutely fucked-up laws on the books in various states.
I hope some 250-pound dyke nurse drowns Yates in a sanitarium bathtub. Actually, I'd like to take her down the the local auto garage, stick the airhose in her uterus, and blow her sorry ass up like a fucking tractor tire...
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Well, it obviously worked in this case - but I wasn't commenting on whether it would be effective or not.
I just foresee a handful of opportunists in the Texas political scene rushing to take credit for getting rid of the 'insanity defense' in the state; since it would seemingly be a very popular move with most voters right now.
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RCollett
Gazillion!
Mentally Ill
Has anyone in this post ever been exposed to an individual experiencing psychosis??
I have worked in a Psych. hospital for the last 4 1/2 years which gives me a little bit of insight with this matter.
I will start out by agreeing the statement "GUILTY but INSANE".
Until a person actually experiences or visualizes a psychotic individual first hand they should NOT pass judgment or an uneducated opinion. Trust me, none of you have any idea what it is like UNLESS you have spent a significant amount of time around a psychotic person. Everyone agrees that David Berkowits commited some very hanus crimes. But many people can accept the fact that he heard a dog across the street talking to him like the devil wich gave reason for his crimes. Not making them O.K., but understandable from a pychological stand point.
Interacting with a person that is ACTIVELY hallucinating, both visual and/or auditory, gave me an entirely new perspective on the mentally ill. A psychotic individual is absolutely out of control of themselves and their environment. Obviously not everyone who is psychotic experiences the same level of severity, and only about 1% of people with psychosis related illnesses are violent. While a person is psychotic they are totally out of touch with reality. Once the episode is over they sometimes realize what they did and can conceptualize it, but many times it a very unreal experience.
Andrea Yates heard God's voice tell her to kill her children in order to save them, and send them to heaven. This was REALITY to her at that moment in time. She also had a history of postpartum dep. with her other children. If anything she should have taken a responsible approach to the situation by not having anymore children. Unfortunate, yes, but in hindsight this option would have been the most logical.
None of this makes what she did O.K., it merely provides somewhat of an explanation for her way of thinking at the time of this horrific incident.
Do I think she is guilty? YES. Do I think she should be denied treatment and meds. because of this? NO. She will spend the rest of her life in a forensic psych. hospital or prison regardless of what the media reported.
Has anyone in this post ever been exposed to an individual experiencing psychosis??
I have worked in a Psych. hospital for the last 4 1/2 years which gives me a little bit of insight with this matter.
I will start out by agreeing the statement "GUILTY but INSANE".
Until a person actually experiences or visualizes a psychotic individual first hand they should NOT pass judgment or an uneducated opinion. Trust me, none of you have any idea what it is like UNLESS you have spent a significant amount of time around a psychotic person. Everyone agrees that David Berkowits commited some very hanus crimes. But many people can accept the fact that he heard a dog across the street talking to him like the devil wich gave reason for his crimes. Not making them O.K., but understandable from a pychological stand point.
Interacting with a person that is ACTIVELY hallucinating, both visual and/or auditory, gave me an entirely new perspective on the mentally ill. A psychotic individual is absolutely out of control of themselves and their environment. Obviously not everyone who is psychotic experiences the same level of severity, and only about 1% of people with psychosis related illnesses are violent. While a person is psychotic they are totally out of touch with reality. Once the episode is over they sometimes realize what they did and can conceptualize it, but many times it a very unreal experience.
Andrea Yates heard God's voice tell her to kill her children in order to save them, and send them to heaven. This was REALITY to her at that moment in time. She also had a history of postpartum dep. with her other children. If anything she should have taken a responsible approach to the situation by not having anymore children. Unfortunate, yes, but in hindsight this option would have been the most logical.
None of this makes what she did O.K., it merely provides somewhat of an explanation for her way of thinking at the time of this horrific incident.
Do I think she is guilty? YES. Do I think she should be denied treatment and meds. because of this? NO. She will spend the rest of her life in a forensic psych. hospital or prison regardless of what the media reported.
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Says who? She will be eligible for release periodically...whether she ever is released or not, of course, will depend on a lot of things, but there is no way to guarantee she will never get out, any more than there is a way to guarantee that Charles Manson will never get parole (though the chances, of course, are very remote in that case).
Many of the opinions here are not as "uneducated" as you apparently might like to think. Some work in the field, others have family or friends who have gone through the experience of mental illness. You have no idea what really happened in her head that day, any more than any of the rest of us do. What is clear is that she sought out and drowned, one at a time, her children in reverse chronological order, starting with the oldest. Does that mean she is insane? Clinically, it could be argued until everyone dies of old age. Legally, however, the definition is much more succinct. It is not wrong for people to weigh in on this important matter, even if they aren't a psychiatrist (many of whom, in my experience, barely know their ass from a hole in the ground anyway)...quite the contrary, as evidenced by some of the other posts here, politicians are lining up to take advantage of this situation, and it is important that people understand it, and speak out if we believe there is an injustice done.
And if you think this verdict will somehow do mentally ill people a favor, think again...the outrage this will cause will do the exact opposite...something everyone I have heard discuss the matter seems to agree on.
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redskinbucksfan
The brownest of the brown liquors
And just who are those people that are complaining
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Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -nies
Etymology: Latin ironia, from Greek eirOnia, from eirOn dissembler
1 : a pretense of ignorance and of willingness to learn from another assumed in order to make the other's false conceptions conspicuous by adroit questioning -- called also Socratic irony
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