Brady "XLLL" Hoke (Head Coach San Diego State)

[Oh8ch]

If um was smart they would have went after Luke. ND and some other schools were very interested in him.

If UM was smart they would be Notre Dame.

 

[CHU]

Was the rumored coach Brady Hoke or Bret Bielema that was guaranteeing recruits that Ohio State would be hit with USC-like sanctions (bowl ban, scholarship reductions, etc.)?

It's been rumored it was a Big Ten coach (I wouldn't be surprised if SEC coaches repeated the same mantra).

 

[Deety]

Was the rumored coach Brady Hoke or Bret Bielema that was guaranteeing recruits that Ohio State would be hit with USC-like sanctions (bowl ban, scholarship reductions, etc.)?

It's been rumored it was a Big Ten coach (I wouldn't be surprised if SEC coaches repeated the same mantra).

I'm not sure. In any case, you know the saying, it's time to let bygones be beatdowns.

 

[buckeyesin07]

Was the rumored coach Brady Hoke or Bret Bielema that was guaranteeing recruits that Ohio State would be hit with USC-like sanctions (bowl ban, scholarship reductions, etc.)?

It's been rumored it was a Big Ten coach (I wouldn't be surprised if SEC coaches repeated the same mantra).

May have been Bielima as well, but the rumors were flying around Hoke. Talk about ruining your reputation with recruits and HS coaches all within 6 months on the job. Well done.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

Was the rumored coach Brady Hoke or Bret Bielema that was guaranteeing recruits that Ohio State would be hit with USC-like sanctions (bowl ban, scholarship reductions, etc.)?

It's been rumored it was a Big Ten coach (I wouldn't be surprised if SEC coaches repeated the same mantra).

May have been Bielima as well, but the rumors were flying around Hoke. Talk about ruining your reputation with recruits and HS coaches all within 6 months on the job. Well done.

Sounds like something that a MAC coach with a sub-.500 record would say to gain an edge on the big boys. Hey, give the guy some credit - it worked for a few months, before he had to answer any questions about his own team's performance. We'll see who's looking good in November....

 

[MaxBuck]

1. I'm not going to slam Hoke for doing the same damn thing every other B1G coach is doing on the recruiting trail. Like it or not, that's the way most coaches do business. Just one more reason to mourn the passing of Jim Tressel.

2. Hoke is a hell of a good coach. Let me be on record with that, his own W-L record be damned. He's been in places where even getting a single victory would have been unusual for most coaches. I respect his ability immensely.

3. Regardless of Hoke's record against tOSU over the next 3-4 years, the Buckeyes will regain our dominance eventually.

4. Fuck Michigan.

 

[Buckeye86]

1. I'm not going to slam Hoke for doing the same damn thing every other B1G coach is doing on the recruiting trail.

Link?

2. Hoke is a hell of a good coach. Let me be on record with that, his own W-L record be damned. He's been in places where even getting a single victory would have been unusual for most coaches. I respect his ability immensely.

Hokes's record at Ball State was 34-38 for a .4722 winning percentage.

Ball State's all time winning percentage is .52. So he dropped their winning percentage during his six years there.

Hoke's record at San Diego State was 13-12 for a .52 winning percentage.

San Diego State's all-time winning percentage is .528. So while negligible, Hoke also dropped their winning percentage during his time there.

Your quest to be the Buckeye Planet contrarian is proceeding nicely, facts be damned.

 

[MaxBuck]

...facts be damned.

Look at SDSU's and Ball State's records before Hoke, than with Hoke. My point stands.

I understand the scarlet-colored-glasses view that Hoke sucks. Facts do not bear it out. He's no Jim Tressel, but he's a very good coach. And right now he is recruiting very well indeed.

 

[Onebuckfan]

Recruiting?..he hasn't won a game in the Big time..only Charlie Weis was given this much love ..How'd that turn out?

 

[Buckeye86]

Look at SDSU's and Ball State's records before Hoke, than with Hoke. My point stands.

Nice deflection, but what you said was that:

He's been in places where even getting a single victory would have been unusual for most coaches.

Ball State has had 15 head football coaches in their history, starting in 1924.

8 of those 15 head coaches had better records than Brady Hoke, including 7 of the last 9 coaches prior to Hoke being hired.

This includes such coaching legends as: John Magnabosco (68-46-14), George Serdula (14-9-1), Ray Louthen (37-13-3), Wave Myers (15-14), Dave McClain (46-25-3), Dwight Wallace (40-37), and Paul Schudel (60-48-4),

The only two coaches Hoke had a better record than in the last 76 years before he was hired was Jim Freeman (18-28-2) and Bill Lynch (37-53).

I don't even feel like doing San Diego State, and two years is probably not a big enough sample anyways.

Bottom line, just drop it, you are about as wrong on this as you could possibly be.

 

[Onebuckfan]

If Hoke wins a lot..scUM better hope he isn't using the Chizlik model..because they are in the Big 10 they will be targeted..

 

[MaxBuck]

Ball State has had 15 head football coaches in their history, starting in 1924.

... I don't even feel like doing San Diego State, and two years is probably not a big enough sample anyways.

Bottom line, just drop it, you are about as wrong on this as you could possibly be.

Bottom line, I don't plan to drop my comments just because some self-important dweeb tells me to.

I was wrong in my exaggeration of the difficulty of winning at places like Ball You and SDSU. Otherwise, it's an opinion, and mine is as valid as yours.

 

[jwinslow]

Look at SDSU's and Ball State's records before Hoke, than with Hoke. My point stands.

in both cases his results were not that unusual until his stellar final year at each program. Whether that would have continued is unknown.

I understand the scarlet-colored-glasses view that Hoke sucks. Facts do not bear it out. He's no Jim Tressel, but he's a very good coach.

Facts are not the foundation for your lofty praise. Guesses are, particularly labeling him with such a strong term as very good, one step below great.

A one season uptick at two bottom dwelling small schools doesn't really tell us how he will do at a big time program. Many coaches that were far more successful at small schools have failed to make the transition.

Pretending there are undeniable facts that only buckeye homers could ignore is quite baseless. We have very little idea how he will do.

Mattison is a very good coach. hoke is largely an unknown.

And right now he is recruiting very well indeed.

How he recruits after the honeymoon, and when it is his recruiting and not OSU's implosion doing the heavy lifting for him, remains to be seen.

He didn't come in and start flipping kids. That didn't start happening until the "jt lied" scandal came out. He kept trying for the big dogs in January, unlike RR, but at that point Washington, Pittman, Dunn, Kalis, Strobel, Odenigbo were all viewed as heavy OSU leans. Jim Tressel's mistakes reversed Hoke's fortunes.

It is like people who hyped Dantonio as a great recruiter recently. He really isn't, as we saw regularly in Ohio. He simply lucked out and had the all time worst Michigan program dropped in his lap, sending Gholston, Baker, Caper, Thomas, Norman and many others his way. He didn't even beat Michigan to trigger that, RR did that all by himself. They were on a huge losing slide by the time MSU played them. The Toledo humiliation was weeks earlier.

 

[Buckeye86]

Bottom line, I don't plan to drop my comments just because some self-important dweeb tells me to.

I was wrong in my exaggeration of the difficulty of winning at places like Ball You and SDSU. Otherwise, it's an opinion, and mine is as valid as yours.

I didn't realize statements like this were opinions.

I understand the scarlet-colored-glasses view that Hoke sucks. Facts do not bear it out.

The facts bear out that Hoke was worse than 7 of 9 head coaches in the last 76 years of Ball State football.

So, I guess we can agree that our opinions on the definition of suck are different. And I suppose your opinion is as valid as mine on that, even though I suspect that most people will side with me. But good news! that makes you a contrarian, and that's what you were going for anyways, so job well done.

Just don't bring facts into it next time.

 

[MaxBuck]

... hoke is largely an unknown.
How he recruits after the honeymoon, and when it is his recruiting and not OSU's implosion doing the heavy lifting for him, remains to be seen.

... It is like people who hyped Dantonio as a great recruiter recently. He really isn't...

I agree with all this, and I don't claim to predict whether Hoke will prove to be very good, long-term, as a recruiter. Just that he's doing very well in the '12 class. Hard to argue otherwise on that one, though he's obviously capitalizing on Ohio State's troubles.