Brady Quinn (Fox CFB Analyst)

[Romanowski]

Somewhere, king rhabuf pops his third xanax of the morning and stares blankly at a cheap bottle of vodka...

Hilarious...

Tibor, completely agree.

Gotta think also that if Condon wasn't his agent, some kind of deal would've been in place that both sides could agree with. I think we can all agree that no one thinks he should see the field this year, a la Palmer and Rivers, but he's missing critical reps. As much as I hated doubles in high school and college, they were so beneficial. I can't even imagine what they're like in the pros. One can study a playbook all he wants, but it can't replace physically being there, doing everything at full speed during individual, group, and team time.

 

[Bleed S & G]

As a die hard Dolphins fan the only thing I can say is........

you bastard!

ehh, whatever.. im still cant believe the ravens duped the browns and grabbed troy smith, a much better QB in terms of actual performance, in the 5th while keeping all other draft picks for next year :(

but im at the whatever point, this is to be expected and it will only hurt brady in the big scheme of things.. he should be with the team that saved him from going in the 2nd round, getting close with his line and recievers

 

[Padraig]

The only way Quinn doesn't start in 2008 is if he's injured or Derek Anderson or somebody else is a pro bowler. That's not likely.

O.K., so if Quinn is injured, or if one of the other QBs does have a Pro Bowl season (however unlikely that may be) then why would the Browns want to have a second year QB making starter's money while riding the pine?

And at pick 22 (whether the Browns had him rated higher or not) why would they have their hand forced into declaring him the automatic starter in 2008? (Carson Palmer as an over-all #1 pick vs. the 2nd QB taken @ #22 is a huge difference) Is that what the Brown's Brass would hope for? Of course, but why paint yourself into a corner by offering him a contract that almost dictates it to have to happen? It seems smart to me to offer the escalators at least initially tied to starting...then if he's truly 'The Man', he makes money based on being the Brown's #1, and they have a guy who earned the spot.

Aaron Rogers was picked around the same pick wasn't he, and he was thought to be a top 10 pick before sliding that far. I assume the Packers thought Favre was a year or two away from retiring at the time. Would it have been a good move for Green Bay to 'assume' that Rogers would be the starter the following year, or even two, so they might as well give him 'starter's $$' in the 2nd year of his deal?

Wasn't it two years (at least) before Culpepper started for the Vikes?

And every penny that Akili Smith was paid was one more than he earned. I'm sure he had a nice contract regardless as a #3 pick, but I wish the Bengals would have convinced him to take a MoC-esque deal swimming with incentives rather than any guarenteed $$. (and yes, I'm quite aware that would never happen at that pick)

I don't think the Browns should give BQ (or anybody) a contract simply assuming he'll start next season barring injury. Rookie minimums at the #22 slot with incentives and escalators for starting, then bonuses for TDs / stats, Pro Bowls, etc.

just my opinion

 

[BuckWrestler141]

As a die hard Dolphins fan the only thing I can say is........


We usually have a difficult time getting all the draft picks in but maybe H. Wayne is onto something. "If you hold out, you sit the bench. Period."

It worked out this year, but that was actually one of the dumbest things I think he could have done. It could have turned really ugly; and for his sake I hope he doesn't try it again.

 

[BuckWrestler141]

Aaron Rogers was picked around the same pick wasn't he, and he was thought to be a top 10 pick before sliding that far. I assume the Packers thought Favre was a year or two away from retiring at the time. Would it have been a good move for Green Bay to 'assume' that Rogers would be the starter the following year, or even two, so they might as well give him 'starter's $$' in the 2nd year of his deal?

This contract should be studied very closely and a deal shouldn't be hard to come by afterwards.

 

[tibor75]

O.K., so if Quinn is injured, or if one of the other QBs does have a Pro Bowl season (however unlikely that may be) then why would the Browns want to have a second year QB making starter's money while riding the pine?

And at pick 22 (whether the Browns had him rated higher or not) why would they have their hand forced into declaring him the automatic starter in 2008? (Carson Palmer as an over-all #1 pick vs. the 2nd QB taken @ #22 is a huge difference) Is that what the Brown's Brass would hope for? Of course, but why paint yourself into a corner by offering him a contract that almost dictates it to have to happen? It seems smart to me to offer the escalators at least initially tied to starting...then if he's truly 'The Man', he makes money based on being the Brown's #1, and they have a guy who earned the spot.

Aaron Rogers was picked around the same pick wasn't he, and he was thought to be a top 10 pick before sliding that far. I assume the Packers thought Favre was a year or two away from retiring at the time. Would it have been a good move for Green Bay to 'assume' that Rogers would be the starter the following year, or even two, so they might as well give him 'starter's $$' in the 2nd year of his deal?

Wasn't it two years (at least) before Culpepper started for the Vikes?

And every penny that Akili Smith was paid was one more than he earned. I'm sure he had a nice contract regardless as a #3 pick, but I wish the Bengals would have convinced him to take a MoC-esque deal swimming with incentives rather than any guarenteed $$. (and yes, I'm quite aware that would never happen at that pick)

I don't think the Browns should give BQ (or anybody) a contract simply assuming he'll start next season barring injury. Rookie minimums at the #22 slot with incentives and escalators for starting, then bonuses for TDs / stats, Pro Bowls, etc.

just my opinion

Actually the comparison to Rodgers is a good one, since it shows how inept Green Bay is. They basically wasted the pick. THey shouldn't have taken him or seeing how they did, they should have cut/traded Favre yesterday.

 

[SparkyOSU]

Fuck Baby Quinn

 

[BuckWrestler141]

Does anyone think it is possible that he is going to hold out for a long time so that he has less pressure to be a starter this year? If I am Brady Quinn I would not want to be the Browns starting QB this year as a rookie. If he enters camp from day 1 people will talk about him being the starting qb, but if he misses all of training camp then he won't be the expected starter, and will have a lot of time under his belt before likely taking over the QB role as a 2nd year member of the NFL.

 

[sandgk]

Let me do what I want to do, I can't decide 'em all
Just tell me where to put 'em, and I'll tell you who to call
Nobody can get no sleep, there's someone on everyone's toes
But when Quinn the Eskimo gets here
Everybody's gonna want to doze

 

[Buckeyedynasty]

Does anyone think it is possible that he is going to hold out for a long time so that he has less pressure to be a starter this year? If I am Brady Quinn I would not want to be the Browns starting QB this year as a rookie. If he enters camp from day 1 people will talk about him being the starting qb, but if he misses all of training camp then he won't be the expected starter, and will have a lot of time under his belt before likely taking over the QB role as a 2nd year member of the NFL.

Honestly I think he is holding out so he can get the best deal and most money for himself. I think he really does want to start this year...but the money comes first for him.

 

[sandgk]

I harbor a suspicion that Brady Quinn's main miff is that there is now no way he can get anything like the money Jeff Samardzija netted from his baseball deal.

 

[BB73]

I harbor a suspicion that Brady Quinn's man muff is in Jeff Samardzija's jock.

Fixed.

 

[sandgk]

Fixed.

Sick, but it does have a ring to it, the ring of humorous truth.

 

[Bestbuck36]

It all comes down to the NFL not having guaranteed contracts. It is the most violent of team sports, except maybe rugby but still very close, and it has no provision for an athletes future earnings.

The NFL needs to alot salaries according to draft position. I.E. #1 #20mil, #19mil, so on and so forth. This is the guaranteed portion of the contract given in the initial signing bonus for rookies. Then teams can fill the rest of the contract for the 5 years or whatever as mostly incentive based. Their rookies! No one knows if they can even make it through training camp without injury, thus the signing bonus towards their retirement. Incentives to the rookies who can come in and produce. If you play every game thats more money and your franchise hasn't just mortgaged the next 10 years on a "Tim Couch or Ricky Williams."

I'm all for the incentive laden contracts and personally I think every sport should have them. I also agree that rookies in every sport need guaranteed money. These teams lure them from college or high school so they need to pay in case something terrible happens to that player, mainly in football though. Veterans constantly get the shaft due to the money unproven rookies get each year which causes too much turnover and ridiculous salaries for players that, well, basically suck. Don't take this the wrong way, I know its a business and everyone needs to make as much money as they can but sports in general have gone way down hill. Fucking agents.

 

[Bestbuck36]

It worked out this year, but that was actually one of the dumbest things I think he could have done. It could have turned really ugly; and for his sake I hope he doesn't try it again.

Because it worked out this year, its probably going to work out in the future. Wayne's a shrewd business man and he won't readily cave to the system. I like the way they negotiate with unproven players. That allows the Jason Taylors' and Zach Thomas' to make their money as proven commodities and remain loyal to their organizations. Keeping players in one place is basically unheard of anymore and that sucks for professional sports. Baseball and basketball make me sick and football's leaning that way. I hate to see it happen and I think Wayne has a pretty good notion of how he wants his players to approach their "jobs."