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BP'ers get all nerdy about weather (split from Poll thread)

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Gatorubet said:
So I know how to identify the disadvantage of the south/warm playing in the cold. I admit it. But how is the north disadvantaged by playing in the south by virtue of having to play a game or to in the cold? Punishing fullbacks do not work in the south when they run? Tell Nutria to break it to Jacob Hester. Road grader O-linemen do not work as well on grass in September as they do in late November/December? That did not seem to stop Nebraska back in the day in the warm bowls. C'mon guys - let me know the disadvantages of having a cold weather game skill set, at least insofar as it hurts your warm weather game skill set. Tell me why Ted Ginn is not as fast in September because you have some bad ass fullback on the team who will do fine in the cold.
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you serious? you think the Big12 offenses would work in November in Minnesota?
 
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Gatorubet said:
WOT AHEAD!! BLAME CLARITY!!

Well, this really is the meat of the discussion, although it's fun to poke each other about the ancillary issues. Kujirakira has narrowed the issue quite well.
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Yes, and executing in the cold is one of those advantages.
So legit question to come. As someone said a few posts back, the B1G teams have to be able to play the end of the year games in shitty cold weather...as part of the poor decision making not to move south to warmer winters once the wheel was invented. (here, I paraphrase)

So what seems to be the crux of this question is the analysis of how much the cold weather preparedness - I dunno - detracts from your warm weather performance abilities.
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I reject the premise that yankees must be ill-equipped in hot games in Dixie in order to enjoy a home advantage against separatists in winter. Ted Ginn can still run laps around all of the supposed team speed in Austin 2016. That does not mean there is not an advantage there (particularly if it had been a day game in high heat).

JT Barrett is a perfect example of how things change in November. JT is the greatest short yardage back in OSU history and they're missing that this year. He also was an inconsistent passer, but he was tough as nails and a terrific leader and operator of the offense.

Dwayne Haskins has top-5 pick talent. We'll have to see how that translates when the weather gets cold. We've seen him rip out Michigan's heart in the cold, but that was a very gentle cold weather game (although the southerners would disagree).

Executing in Happy Valley, Madison, Champaign, Evanston, Ann Arbor, Iowa City, Minneapolis, East Lansing in November is a very different thing than September. Even Columbus, Bloomington, West Lafayette, College Park are dicey. No one is concerned with New Brunswick weather.

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The TCU-Minnesota example is an excellent contrast to OSU-Minnesota (both 2014). I suspect JT would have been a lot more efficient through the air if it were warmer. Conversely, this is a lot less likely to happen in September:

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kujirakira said:
I dont find that a compelling argument to give SEC, Little10, and SoCal permanent advantages. If their fans dont travel... sounds like a personal problem to me.



I think thats short sighted. Teams gain advantages being close to home... familiar places, ease of access, timezone changes. The weather is one part.
Playing in 'your weather' is both an advantage to you and a disadvantage to the traveling opponent. Why shouldn't Big schools enjoy that occasional advantage after decades of 1sided affairs?
Why shouldn't we get to see Miami struggle with some adversity for once?
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It won’t just be fans is the south that won’t travel. It will be loads of fans, even from the north who won’t. Can’t believe this is still a thing to argue about.
 
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Gatorubet said:
C'mon guys - let me know the disadvantages of having a cold weather game skill set, at least insofar as it hurts your warm weather game skill set. Tell me why Ted Ginn is not as fast in September because you have some bad ass fullback on the team who will do fine in the cold.
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It is a major disadvantage for a person who's body is acclimated for the north to try to have to all of a sudden play at a high level in the heat and humidity that your opponent is used to.

That is so obvious and easily understood that I know you are willfully trying to obfuscate the entire argument.

As you said, it has been concisely stated; why should southern schools enjoy a permanent home field advantage?

Other than being a fan of a southern school, and by extension then a fan of all southern schools, I think you don't really have a good reason.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
It is a major disadvantage for a person who's body is acclimated for the north to try to have to all of a sudden play at a high level in the heat and humidity that your opponent is used to.
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again, if we talking about postseason play, the south is NOT hot and humid in January.

travel time, familiarity, time zones, fans, etc.
absolutely. southern team have a tremendous advantage in those categories for the post season games.

but weather? seriously?
of the most used playoff sites (LA, Zona, Dallas, NOLA, Atl, Miami, this year game in Bay Area) only one has an average high temp of over 65°.
and since the games are typically night games, temps will be closer to the lows which are in the upper 40s.

not much different than the mid/low 40s Columbus averages the week of Thanksgiving.
which is right around the last time anyone has played a game prior to the post season.

and most of these games are actually played indoors now, eliminating weather all together.

so no, you won’t convince me that having to play a game at 55° is some huge disadvantage for tOSU.
 
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Nutriaitch said:
again, if we talking about postseason play, the south is NOT hot and humid in January.

travel time, familiarity, time zones, fans, etc.
absolutely. southern team have a tremendous advantage in those categories for the post season games.

but weather? seriously?
of the most used playoff sites (LA, Zona, Dallas, NOLA, Atl, Miami, this year game in Bay Area) only one has an average high temp of over 65°.
and since the games are typically night games, temps will be closer to the lows which are in the upper 40s.

not much different than the mid/low 40s Columbus averages the week of Thanksgiving.
which is right around the last time anyone has played a game prior to the post season.

and most of these games are actually played indoors now, eliminating weather all together.

so no, you won’t convince me that having to play a game at 55° is some huge disadvantage for tOSU.
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Gator was trying to convince us all that playing in the heat (not specifically New Orleans and not specifically in a Bowl) was no big deal for a northern team

it's bullshit
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Gator was trying to convince us all that playing in the heat (not specifically New Orleans and not specifically in a Bowl) was no big deal for a northern team

it's bullshit
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he’s a florida fan. can’t expect too much outta them.

the heat of the early season is absolutely an advantage.
especially a day game.

most southern stadiums run north-south.
home bench is west sideline.

so 100° heat, high humidity, home team in the shadow of stadium before half time, road team cooking in sun entire game.


‘08 App State
‘17 Auburn

both day games where on field temps were up around 120°.
fucking misery. even for fellow southerners.
 
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Nutriaitch said:
again, if we talking about postseason play, the south is NOT hot and humid in January.

travel time, familiarity, time zones, fans, etc.
absolutely. southern team have a tremendous advantage in those categories for the post season games.

but weather? seriously?
of the most used playoff sites (LA, Zona, Dallas, NOLA, Atl, Miami, this year game in Bay Area) only one has an average high temp of over 65°.
and since the games are typically night games, temps will be closer to the lows which are in the upper 40s.

not much different than the mid/low 40s Columbus averages the week of Thanksgiving.
which is right around the last time anyone has played a game prior to the post season.

and most of these games are actually played indoors now, eliminating weather all together.

so no, you won’t convince me that having to play a game at 55° is some huge disadvantage for tOSU.
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That first list of advantages is why Midwest fans are bitter about having to survive that for a century to win bowl games.

That leads to bitterness which makes us want southern teams to come up north in November or December.
 
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