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PrincessPeach
I want to ride my bicycle.
I've missed quite a debate here this morning...
One question that hasn't been raised yet: Is Scott's policy simply that if you smoke, you may not work for them? What about employees who do not participate in the company's health care plan? What about covered dependants of employees who do participate? I have the option of health care coverage through my firm, but I decline coverage and am instead covered by my husband's plan. If I worked for Scott's, could I smoke if I didn't participate in their plan? Could my husband work for Scott's and get family coverage if I smoked? How is this enforced?
I agree with those here who feel that this is a bullshit policy which leads to quite a slippery slope of infringement on personal rights. (BKB - did I just agree with 89, too? Yikes! :) )
One question that hasn't been raised yet: Is Scott's policy simply that if you smoke, you may not work for them? What about employees who do not participate in the company's health care plan? What about covered dependants of employees who do participate? I have the option of health care coverage through my firm, but I decline coverage and am instead covered by my husband's plan. If I worked for Scott's, could I smoke if I didn't participate in their plan? Could my husband work for Scott's and get family coverage if I smoked? How is this enforced?
I agree with those here who feel that this is a bullshit policy which leads to quite a slippery slope of infringement on personal rights. (BKB - did I just agree with 89, too? Yikes! :) )
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Did I say addiction was a good thing? But, to answer you, yes... sometimes.. ie people who get addicted to endorphin release associated with running.
You dont know any drug users? No alcoholics? Where do you live, pleasantville?
No, I went back because I started smoking at the bar after softball games. And became addicted again. Brainwashing is believeing something like "all smokers die of smoking" not someone choosing to do an activity which isn't particularly intelligent. Of course, I also drive to fast and have been known to take unecessary risks for entertainment. Maybe I'm addicted to risk...
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OH10
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I think that these are very good questions.
Also, someone brought this up as a constitutional issue earlier. No, it's not a constitutional issue. Scotts is a private company and is acting within the bounds of the current law. The law certainly is not unconstitutional because it only allows private parties to act in a certain manner, and does not require it nor prohibit it. Therefore, no state action and no constitutional argument.
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You guys are giving me a complex. I think I'll call my therapist.
Just dont be right again and we wont have this problem. :p
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Well if you're going to label me as saying "all people who smoke die from it" (something i didnt say), at least read what I said about MOST people.Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
maybe the smoke is clouding your vision :p
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Smoking WILL kill you... isn't quite "all smokers die from smoking" but it's the functional equivelant.
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PrincessPeach
I want to ride my bicycle.
Ok - here's something else I take issue with: I don't think there is a black and white division between "smokers" and "non-smokers." Let's say that I don't generally smoke, but that I might wish to have a couple cigarettes on a Friday night while I'm out having a few drinks. Does this lump me into the same category, risk-wise, as a chain smoker who burns through two packs of Marlboro reds a day?
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Or maybe it could mean that smokers* who are left to smoke and who don't die in a horrible plane crash, from falling out of a 13th floor window, or just die because of a different kind of cancer will die from smoking. Also, if you are 79 and decide to start smoking, obviously you have just as good a chance of just dying from old age. And of course there are the few exceptions to the rule.
*Since we have to be 100% literal today, I guess I have to define smokers as people who are addicted to smoking.....I'm sure that little curveball was coming sooner or later.
*Since we have to be 100% literal today, I guess I have to define smokers as people who are addicted to smoking.....I'm sure that little curveball was coming sooner or later.
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damn.....i was 2* minutes away from being nostradamus.PrincessPeach said:
edit: 4 minutes for the literal police
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PrincessPeach
I want to ride my bicycle.
Well, you knew it was coming because it's a legitimate question. If employment decisions are to be made based on labels and categories, you'd better be damn sure to clearly define those categories.
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