Bo with no NC's

[lvbuckeye]

Naive? Please. I have the freaking "official Bo video" that was produced after his retirement as a tribute to his career at Michigan. In it he specifically says it was all about Ohio State. All about Ohio State. From the moment he was hired in 1969, it was about beating Ohio State. Even when Woody was gone, it was about beating Ohio State. Of course he wanted to win the Rose Bowl, as opposed to wanting to lose it, once the time came and they were actually going. But that's not what he preached. To Bo the ultimate prize was in Columbus, not Pasadena. He prepared his team all season for Ohio State, not USC.

please relay this post to JeromePC over on GBW, who insists that beating Ohio State has nothing to do with being an M fan...

 

[WaitingforKickoff]

JeromePC at GBW is a bitch, a mofo bitch. And so is his gay lover BretOsburn. After all, it takes a lot of stupid bitches to produce an article titled "OSU Won the Battle of Mistakes and Big Plays"

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I fail to understand how every big play is a mistake by the opposition. I guess whatever they need to feel good about themselves.

 

[fourteenandoh]

That write up about the "the game" is crap. One could make the argument that every big play in the history of football is the other team's mistake. That's why it was a big play. I don't think the offense scores on a big play very often when the defense executes perfectly. Someone gets sucked in on a play action, end around, misses a tackle, covers the middle of the field instead of the outside. The list goes on and on. Like BKB said, whatever they need to feel better about themselves.

As for Bo, I don't think you can say he is one of the greatest when you look at his record. However, when you look at the impact he had on the university and his players, and the way he coached the game, he is definitely one of the greatest. I think sometimes you have to go deeper than bowl records and national championships to determine a coach's greatness (or lack thereof).

 

[ScarletBlood31]

Jim Tressel is a helluva football coach but he's got a long way to go to catch up to Bo and Woody. If national championships are the only thing you're basing that off of, you're missing the point.

I think that's where old-timer stipulations come in, because I think that JT is every bit as good as Woody or Bo, with what he's done in only 6 seasons. Not only has he had winning teams (1 NC with a NC berth this season) with a soon-to-be Heisman winner, and a 5-1 record against scUM, he has also made great young men out of his players, and has all of the class in the world.

Obviously, JT needs to put in more time and winning seasons to make bulk up his resume, but he is doing everything to become the greatest coach tOSU has ever had.

 

[BuckeyeBill]

It all depends how you define "great". Like Woody did for the Buckeyes, Bo personified Michigan football unlike anyone in recent memory. He certainly won numerous big games, ran a clean program, and gave scUM fans much to be proud of. He, like a few other great coaches of our time, represented college football well throughout his tenure. Those things are the "intangibles" of college football coaches, and few do it well. If he were a pro coach, winning more than his share against his rival, but never challenging for the ring, I'd agree his greatness was limited. But as a college football coach, considering what he did for scUM, the rivalry, and college football in general, I certainly put him in the top 10 of college coaches. And LLLLLoyd, even with his split NC, will not (especially with the crybaby sideline act he does each Saturday).

And Tibs, starting this thread several days after his passing is utterly tasteless.

 

[scooter1369]

Since Tressel got to 60 wins faster than Woody, and did it in the era of the scholarship limit, I'd be willing to say Tressel is a better coach than Woody and will one day be viewed that way universally.

I think Woody defined what Ohio State football was when he was coach. Tressel has transformed Ohio State football to match his vision of what Ohio State football should be in this era. And its working really well.

 

[BuckeyeBill]

Since Tressel got to 60 wins faster than Woody, and did it in the era of the scholarship limit, I'd be willing to say Tressel is a better coach than Woody and will one day be viewed that way universally.

I think Woody defined what Ohio State football was when he was coach. Tressel has transformed Ohio State football to match his vision of what Ohio State football should be in this era. And its working really well.

Absolutely!

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

There was an article I read today directed at those scUM fans ripping on LLLoyd for his losses to OSU. One thing nobody mentions that this article did:

National championships:
LLLoyd 1
Bo 0

If Bo was an OSU coach , would he be as loved as Bo is there? I doubt it. Bo just seems to have been a slightly better coach than Cooper, and nothing even close to JT or Woody.

Wow, you continue to be an absolute dipshit...

Carr: 113-35-0 (.764), 6-6 vs. OSU, 5-6 in bowls, nine 3+ loss seasons (75%)
Schembechler: 194-48-5 (.796), 11-9-1 vs. OSU, 5-11 in bowls, 12 3+ loss seasons (57%)
Cooper: 111-43-4 (.715), 2-10-1 vs. UM, 3-8 in bowls, nine 3+ loss seasons (69%)

Not only did Schembechler have better results than either Carr or Cooper, he revived the rivalry between OSU and UM, and his Ten Year War with Woody was possibly the greatest 10 year period in college football history between two all-time powerhouses.

 

[lvbuckeye]

I think that's where old-timer stipulations come in, because I think that JT is every bit as good as Woody or Bo, with what he's done in only 6 seasons. Not only has he had winning teams (1 NC with a NC berth this season) with a soon-to-be Heisman winner, and a 5-1 record against scUM, he has also made great young men out of his players, and has all of the class in the world.

Obviously, JT needs to put in more time and winning seasons to make bulk up his resume, but he is doing everything to become the greatest coach tOSU has ever had.

considering the fact that he has a fistful of rings and is the only coach in CFB history to win Championships at multiple division levels, there will be a serious case to be made that he is the greatest coach in college football history.

 

[BB73]

And Tibs, starting this thread several days after his passing is utterly tasteless.

For the record, he didn't start this thread. His comments in this thread's first post were originally within the Bo thread that included the notice of his passing and comments on his legacy.

The discussion of the no NCs was split into a different thread in order to separate that from those who were leaving RIP posts in the the other thread.