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Bitching about the 2004 Season

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To be fair here, when was Troy given a chance to turn things around? He may be losing the job in practice but Zwick is losing the job during games. If Zwick's composure is in question, maybe he shouldn't be behind the center. We all know the Offensive line is the biggest issue right now. Why not use a Quarterback who can roll the pocket and use his God given speed to add another dimension to an offense that is simply offensive.
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Scooter... while I see your point... I think part of the problem is that rolling out and that kind of thing might not be really what Smith does either... (I mean I really haven't seen him do it. )

Plus... when you design rollouts and that kind of thing.. the OL has to be in on it too... I'd sort of be scared that they aren't sure what those words mean. (And to be fair, on the other side.... maybe Zwick can rollout and all that stuff too... who knows?)

Mostly, what I've seen of Troy (and the reason they put the proverbial leg-cuffs on him in the spring game) is that he is essentially a drop back passer who is really fast and can make things happen when the play breaks down... that's not a new dimension really... it pretty much just scrambling.

So I don't know if that fixes anything... it just lets you get some more yards here and there... but the offense is still 'broken'

Anyway, having said all that, I hope we get to see both of them this week...
 
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What Needs To Be Done(for next year)

1.Fire Bollamn
2.Tressel gives up his roll of calling plays
3.Hire a real offensive co-ordinator
4.Promote Peterson to O-line coach(hopefully he won;t run the zone blocking sceem and actually develops the O-line)
5.Fire snyder
6.Keep Tucker-very talented coach but don;t know if he should be d-coordinator
7.Keep Hazell, Fickell, and Heacock(even though i am starting to question his abilities of late)
8. Hire a D-coordinator who does not continue to run a zone defense w/ 0 pass rush(it does not and cannot work)

If all of these things happen i feel we'll be a good team. in saying that i ahve little to no faith that tressel will fire either bollman or snyder, purely based on the fact that he has too much loyalty to the point that it has a negative effect(i.e. continuing to start lydell who has always looked bad). Fellow buckeye fans it is not a lack of talent. this falls squarely on the coaches shoulders. It has been blatant that the strategies have just not worked as many of u have pointed out and that there seem to be absolutely ZERO halftime adjustments on the defense. I hate to see it but if these things don;t happen next year than it might be time for tressel to hit the hight road. i appreciate all he's done but this is OHIO STATE and there is no room for mediocrity, especially with the amount of talent on this squad. all this being said, hit me w/ what else u guys think need to be done to save us from anymore embarrassment.
 
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What Needs to be Done (For NOW)

Maagnum needs to use his head and stop making massive blanket statements without any reasoning behind them.

Hmmm Let's Promote Peterson to O-line coach and then "hope" he doesn't zone block?

Tell me Mr Maagnum. Who shoud we hire to replace all the carnage? And don't tell me Bob Stoops is available to be the DC.... don't even tell me Mark Mangino is available... Tell me who and why.
 
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maagnum said:
5.Fire snyder
8. Hire a D-coordinator who does not continue to run a zone defense w/ 0 pass rush (it does not and cannot work)

It has been blatant that the strategies have just not worked as many of u have pointed out and that there seem to be absolutely ZERO halftime adjustments on the defense.
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Snyder will work things out...just get his ass up in the booth. I had posted in several other threads that Dantonio also went through some growing pains during his first year as DC, and turned out to be a "pretty decent" DC. His defense gave up over 20 ppg in 2001 (his first year), and he got that all the way down to 13 ppg the very next year, and his second-half adjustments in 2002 were near-legendary. Get Snyder up in the booth where he can see WTF is happening on the field, and he'll be fine.
 
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1.Fire Bollamn
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As much as people want this, I believe this will be a last resort and will probably take another year of problems to happen.

Tressel and Bollman are very close. I just don't believe Tressel will fire Bollman based on one year of bad production.

I'm not saying I wouldn't welcome the change, I just don't think it will happen. Snyder is more likely to lose his job than Bollman at this point, IMO.
2.Tressel gives up his roll of calling plays
3.Hire a real offensive co-ordinator
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I believe that Herby said this just last night on his radio show.
 
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[sarcasm]Well, I think you have just solved every problem and therefore I nominate you to be the new head coach. I mean with logical thinking like this there is no way we would ever lose with you at the helm of our beloved Buckeyes.[/sarcasm]

Could you possibly take a step back from the ledge and think about that crap you are wasting peoples time with on this message board. It is this type of shit that makes me laugh about so called "fans". Maybe instead of "fans" we can just call ourselves "the Enlightened" because it seems to me that there are some of us who know everything.

First off, what difference does it make what play you call when the offense is not going to execute that assignments. If the players were executing the assignments and we were still not getting the job done I could understand this arguement. When I see the offensive lineman setting beat to the punch on a blocking assignment and getting pushed 5 yard back into the RB I don't think it matters that we are not "creative" with play calling. When I see a RB miss a blitzing LB and the QB get his head taken off, or a WR trying to block on a passing play, or . . well you get it.

As far as defense goes, how the hell do you expect this defense to keep a team out of the red zone when we give it to them on our 19? Maybe we should make them run "gassers" for an extra hour and a half in practice to they won't get tired when they are on the field for 40 mins a game? nah, instead we should just fire a first year DC trying to live up to the hype of a dominating defense from 2002 while only having 1 player that started on that defense still here, oh and by the way, I believe the rest of that defense is in the NFL now. Pretty rough ain't it?

Lets try to keep our heads during this rough time, these type of blanket solutions are only rash and uninteligent opinions.
 
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A little overreacting eh? maagnum???

The offense part I agree with but the defense will be fine. The main issue with our defense is 2 fold.

FIRST - No pash rush. If you are getting beat in the trenches any defense can look bad. We all thought that the loss of Smith, Anderson & Scott would hurt, but not this much. We just have to realize that we have a very young DLine that is getting pushed around. Hopefully another offseason and a year of experience will see marked improvement for 2005.

SECOND - An offense that can sustain a drive. Heck, at least avoid 3 and outs. We only gave up 10 points to Iowa in the first half. But by the 2nd half our defense has been worn out and started giving up especially after the Zwick fumble in the 2nd half. And of course Mili is right, This is the first year of Snyder play calling and running the defense. Sometimes a coach has to grow into a position too.
 
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nate said:
Tressel and Bollman are very close. I just don't believe Tressel will fire Bollman based on one year of bad production.
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One year of bad production? The OL hasn't been very good since Bollman put his hands on it, and it has declined every year. We literally have the worst-performing OL in the country, and it's not becuase of lack of talent.

brutus2002 is correct in that JT's loyalty belongs with the team, not individuals (though I'm not saying that he is like that).
 
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brutus2002 said:
Nate

How many 4-7 or 5-6 teams will the Buckeyes alumni let JT have before they want him gone?

If I were JT my loyalty would be to my TEAM not individual coaches or players.
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It wouldn't take many.

Like I said, I'm not saying that I think Bollman should stay. I just don't know if Tressel will let Bollman go after one year of bad production. I know that we can argue that the offense and the OLine has be horrible for the last 3 years but this is the first year the problem is glarring. Before it was dissmissed and looked at as being conservative and not wanting to lose the game when we have such a great defense and kicking game.

The offense and O-line are an obvious problem and I for one hope that Tressel addresses the problem in the proper way. If that means letting Bollman go, that's what needs to be done.

I just hope that Tressel can seperate his personal relationships from business. I guess that's basically my point. I don't if he can or will. Let's hope.
 
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Guys chill out about the D they are young and getting tired early in the game. They will be able to produce again soon. these things happen with coaching changes. Also whichever quarterback can sustain a drive for more then 7 plays will help the D althogh it might not seem like it. I do think that JT does need to step down as O-corrdinator his O is consertive that capitilizes on Defensive mistakes. That takes a good O-line which we do not have. In the JT O-fence you need a stabel running game, with the ability to go deep on any pass play. We only have one of those and that is struggling because og the QB issue.
 
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The offense and O-line are an obvious problem and I for one hope that Tressel addresses the problem in the proper way. If that means letting Bollman go, that's what needs to be done.

I just hope that Tressel can seperate his personal relationships from business. I guess that's basically my point. I don't if he can or will. Let's hope.
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I posted something on another thread to the effect that I'm not totally sure that JT had his whole staff... in the best case scenario... that he wanted from the beginning... due ti the time constraints of getting the 'right people.' Anyway, someone responded.. not really contradicting, but pointeing out that Tressel went out and got 'his guys' that he felt comfortable with from YSU... Well that sort of reinforces the point, that when you don't have the time to do an exhaustive search (Tons of interviews, etc), you kind of go with guys that are known commodities... The interesting Bridge we need to cross is the transistion from replacing staff that got better jobs, to replacing staff that might not be performing at the level they need to be.

Also, as things move to the future... you have to realize that you can't always get YSU guys... and remember, the "Tressel Guys" haven't always been Tressel Guys... they were just "Guys" at some point. And You take guys like Dantonio and Snyder (almost DC at S. Carolina) and Mangino... and even Bollman... you see that Tress is used to getting guys promoted to other jobs... so he's an excellent developer of other coaching talent.

Anyway... I think Tressel has been setting things up since last year to change around his offensive staff from last year with the addition of Petersen and Hazell... (Where, by the way, is the heat on Joe Daniels?) You don't just go get another guy who was the O-Line Coach and Running Game Coordinator at a successful D-I school... and steal him form Mark Stoops in the Process and not plan to use the guy... Hazell has a heck of a diverse resume as well.

On top of all that... There is no inside Power Running Game. You know this has to be killing Tressel. There really hasn't been one with Bollman yet... (Even With 13, the kid made his own way, more or less). Considering Tressel has been published on the subject of the inside power game... he might not be very happy with the direction of his 'offense'. To be honest, I think Tressel will pull the Trigger on Bollman... Going down with the ship won't help his loyalty to the rest of the staff.

So... if you get rid of Bollman... You need an O-Line Coach and an O coordinator. What do you think he does?

I think Bollman and Daniels get Canned.

Petersen moves to O-line Coach/Running Game Coordinator

Tressel Hires a new Qb Coach/Passing Game Coordinator

Hires a new Recruting Coordinator after signing day.

Tress is the OC for a year and sees if his new QB's Coach guy works out. (I think the last move is a mistake, but I think its as close as we're going to get.)
 
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What needs to be done at BP(forever): maagnum needs to stop posting.

brutus2002 said:
Nate

How many 4-7 or 5-6 teams will the Buckeyes alumni let JT have before they want him gone?

If I were JT my loyalty would be to my TEAM not individual coaches or players.
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Well... I dunno but first JT will have to actually go 4-7 or 5-6. Last time I checked, we were 3-3.
Second of all--how many straight Fiesta Bowls do you want, hackneyed broken record boy?
 
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