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LitlBuck

LitlBuck

Kevin Warren is an ass
Rather than take up an individual player's thread, such as Craft's, I think we could talk about the various awards list in this thread.

A lot of people are upset because Craft did not get the six man of the year award along with freshman of the year from this Yahoo site
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news;_ylt=An6Iw_G3wflTtUYnftHQZFTevbYF?slug=jn-bigten030111

While, I tend to agree this is only one person's opinion and I will be interested in seeing what happens when the media and coaches to their lists at the end of the year.

Besides the Crater/Paul debate over six man of the year, I have a problem with Morris being put on the second team over Buford and, to a certain extent, Lighty over Buford. Maybe it's just because I have a very high esteem for Buford and think that he is a better all-around player especially comparing him with Morris.

I also have a problem with Jackson being the most "underrated" player of the year. I don't know how they determined that award but if it's by size I guess he would win that award but I certainly think that he gets talked about enough by the media. I really don't think there should be this type of award and if they see a need for this type of award, and should be combined with the sixth man of the year award.
Also, Matta should be the Coach of the Year.
 
It would suck if both Matta and Sullinger lose the conference COY and POY awards, respectively. I am worried about it, because the "Purdue voting bloc" (i.e., Painter, Weber, Izzo, Crean) is real and is going to try to give Painter and JJJ both awards. It would be absurd for both the POY and COY to go to a second-place team.
 
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LitlBuck;1882332; said:
Besides the Crater/Paul debate over six man of the year, I have a problem with Morris being put on the second team over Buford and, to a certain extent, Lighty over Buford. Maybe it's just because I have a very high esteem for Buford and think that he is a better all-around player especially comparing him with Morris.
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Noopy's back?! :wink2:
 
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DZ83CK said:
It would suck if both Matta and Sullinger lose the conference COY and POY awards, respectively. I am worried about it, because the "Purdue voting bloc" (i.e., Painter, Weber, Izzo, Crean) is real and is going to try to give Painter and JJJ both awards. It would be absurd for both the POY and COY to go to a second-place team.
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I have to disagree. JJJ has been unreal this year. Sully is a fantastic player but this year JJJ has been POY worthy. The fact that we can blow out teams by 20 when he only scores 12 hurts his stock (which shouldn't be the case...but let's face it, it's how it works).

I could understand either one.
 
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korchiki;1882474; said:
I have to disagree. JJJ has been unreal this year. Sully is a fantastic player but this year JJJ has been POY worthy. The fact that we can blow out teams by 20 when he only scores 12 hurts his stock (which shouldn't be the case...but let's face it, it's how it works).
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So you disagree that it would suck if Sully and Matta lost Big Ten POY and COY to second-place Purdue ... thanks for outing yourself as a Purdue fan.

I'm a believer that the "to the victor goes the spoils" philosophy should be decisive whenever there's a close race for a conference award such as POY and COY - that's "how it works" in my mind.

POY typically goes to the best player on the best team, unless one player is far better than everyone else. I don't think Johnson has been far better than Sullinger if you look at the conference season as a whole. When there are two first-team All-Americans in the conference, the one whose team actually wins the conference deserves to win the award. The rationale behind voting Painter COY is that he's done a great job with a "patchwork" roster due to losing Hummel, but that patchwork roster has two surefire 1st team All-Big Ten seniors on it, two guys who will make one of the All-American teams. Who's tougher to replace, the NPOY/#2 pick in the draft or a guy who will likely never be drafted by the NBA? As a coach, are you REALLY doing "more" with "less" when you get beat in the conference title race AND have more first team all-conference players than the team that beat you has?

It seems to me that part of the rationale for voting Painter COY (i.e., that he's "coached up" a lesser roster to being better than they were supposed to be) is inconsistent with voting Johnson POY as well as Johnson and Moore being 1st team all-conference. If he didn't have great players, they wouldn't be where they are. Painter won the Big Ten coaches' COY award last year - it was even less explicable then because they were who everybody thought they would be (rated in preseason top-5) while OSU overachieved to grab a share of the title.

Funny how in '10 Purdue ties OSU for the Big Ten title, Painter and Matta split COY and OSU's Turner gets POY, and now in '11 without POY Turner OSU could win the title outright (even though they were picked 3rd in the Big Ten preseason poll) with Purdue finishing second but Purdue could sweep the COY and POY awards. Apart from that, I think there's just something odd about awarding the second-place team conference POY and COY awards over the first-place team.
 
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DZ83CK;1882517; said:
So you disagree that it would suck if Sully and Matta lost Big Ten POY and COY to second-place Purdue ... thanks for outing yourself as a Purdue fan.
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enough with the exaggerative insult. korchiki is as at least as much of a buckeye as anyone here. he doesn't deserve such disrespect. he didn't insult you. don't insult him.

i do find it interesting that you were selective with what you left out of his post:

korchiki;1882474; said:
I could understand either one.
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I'm a believer that the "to the victor goes the spoils" philosophy should be decisive whenever there's a close race for a conference award such as POY and COY - that's "how it works" in my mind.
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that's an absurd philosophy. to think that a conference's best player must be on the best team is irrational. believe it or not, often the best player is not always found on the best team.

jajuan johnson is a phenomenal player. he's also played quite a bit better than sullinger has down the end stretch. for the last five games, johnson has averaged 19.2 points, 9.6 rebounds, and 3 blocks. sullinger has averaged 12.6 points, 7.2 rebounds, and .4 blocks. yes, johnson got 20 minutes more during that stretch, but that's largely on sullinger's shoulders because he fouled 14 times to johnson's 9.

The rationale behind voting Painter COY is that he's done a great job with a "patchwork" roster due to losing Hummel...
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are you really not aware that painter lost 3 starters from last year's team, which includes a 1st team player (hummel) and the defensive player of the year (kramer)? painter lost three guys who accounted for about 350 career starts.

Who's tougher to replace, the NPOY/#2 pick in the draft or a guy who will likely never be drafted by the NBA?
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again, matta had to replace one starter. painter had to replace three. furthermore, painter didn't have the luxury of replacing one of his starters with a top recruit who turned out to be on everyone's short-list for this year's naismith award.

anyway, my opinion is that painter should be the coach of the year, while sullinger should be the player of the year. i think there is no question that painter is the most deserving of his award. it is much more debatable whom should be voted the player of the year. if sullinger has an excellent performance on sunday, that should seal it.
 
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heck, if jordan taylor wins the player of the year award, i would understand. the kid is unreal. in conference play, he's averaging 20 points (46%, 84%, and 42%), 5.2 assists, and 4.3 rebounds. what is most impressive is that his assist-to-turnover ratio is 4.4. 4.4!
 
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Purdue officially is not the Big Ten champs after losing at Iowa. How do you lose to the last-place team in the conference with a chance to get the title on the line? I sure hope the voters for conference honors hadn't mailed in their ballots yet.

Purdue lost too many games to be Big Ten champs - they should not get conference POY and COY as some sort of consolation prize.

I wouldn't be upset as long as OSU gets one of the major awards - I'm not saying OSU has to win everything. But I will gripe about it if Purdue somehow gets them both.
 
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There are only three awards that are important; hey, it is a team game:

1) Big Ten Conference Champion
2) Big Ten Conference Tournament Champion
3) NCAA Champion

Three updates to the rafter flags in the Schott would be great.

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