Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[Jaxbuck]

One thing to keep in mind when we hear the argument that our strong football would bring up the level of a bad BE's teams football and (sorta) vice versa for basketball.

Thats exactly what they said would happen with Miami and FSU in regards to the ACC and look how that shit turned out. Maybe its just a coincidence but both programs were brought back to the pack in football not the other way around. FSU's basketball has gotten a bit better but neither one has enjoyed anything resembling a run at national prominence as far as I can see.

I would love to have Syracuse or Uconn in the B10 for hoops but imo this is mainly about football and anything short of Texas/ND is going to suck balls imo.

 

[IronBuckI]

One thing to keep in mind when we hear the argument that our strong football would bring up the level of a bad BE's teams football and (sorta) vice versa for basketball.

Thats exactly what they said would happen with Miami and FSU in regards to the ACC and look how that shit turned out. Maybe its just a coincidence but both programs were brought back to the pack in football not the other way around. FSU's basketball has gotten a bit better but neither one has enjoyed anything resembling a run at national prominence as far as I can see.

I would love to have Syracuse or Uconn in the B10 for hoops but imo this is mainly about football and anything short of Texas/ND is going to suck balls imo.

We're not moving Ohio State and/or Penn State to the Big East with the hope of propping up a bad football conference, so I'm not sure that your Miami-FSU example fits the football argument.

I don't want Rutgers or Syracuse if we're only adding one team anymore than anyone else does. I do think that Rutgers does have a lot of potential, if they're put in the right situation. You could probably say that about Cincy and others, but those schools aren't able to add a useful market to the Big Ten Network.

 

[kolOhioState88]

Big 10 Announces Texas Will Join in 2012 | Sportales

this source seems so shady to me.

says texas will be announced on friday.

who else is not falling for this?

 

[BuckTwenty]

Big 10 Announces Texas Will Join in 2012 | Sportales

this source seems so shady to me.

says texas will be announced on friday.

who else is not falling for this?

Texas legislators.

 

[Dryden]

Big 10 Announces Texas Will Join in 2012 | Sportales

this source seems so shady to me.

says texas will be announced on friday.

who else is not falling for this?

The source is shady?

His other posts include, "Peyton Manning retires!" and "Randy Moss traded to Green Bay."

Sounds legit to me. Welcome, Texas!

 

[powerlifter]

You could have stopped right after "Source Leaks: Usc Placed on Major Probation"

 

[Woody1968]

You could have stopped right after "Source Leaks: Usc Placed on Major Probation"

No, that is true. I heard from Dean Wormer personally that USC is on double secret probation.

 

[smithlabs]

Bienvinedo, Tejas!

FIFY

 

[jlb1705]

Texas hasn't talked to Big Ten about expansion - NCAA Football - SI.com

Texas hasn't talked to Big Ten

Story Highlights
AD DeLoss Dodds says Texas likes its position in the Big 12

Big Ten, Pac-10 expansion rumors have centered on Texas

Dodds: Texas and Big 12 are good for each other -- "It's working"

Like the Alvarez article, I don't think you can take this at face value. No matter who is chosen - Texas or not - I don't think you're going to hear something in the affirmative from anybody connected to the situation until a move is ready to be made.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

Texas hasn't talked to Big Ten about expansion - NCAA Football - SI.com



Like the Alvarez article, I don't think you can take this at face value. No matter who is chosen - Texas or not - I don't think you're going to hear something in the affirmative from anybody connected to the situation until a move is ready to be made.

Texas not 'talking' to the Big Ten is also consistent with the Big Ten's statement that no direct discussions will take place until the prospective member's conference is notified...

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Big 10 Announces Texas Will Join in 2012 | Sportales

The move vaults the Big 10 back to elite status in both football and basketball, and should wind up being a windfall to all of the schools involved.

Uh, the Big Ten has been pretty good overall in basketball for years, and Texas isn't exactly an elite basketball team right now, being currently outside of the top 20 in the polls and having gone 5-6 in their last 11 games...we have four teams ranked ahead of Texas (in order: Purdue, Ohio State, Michigan State, and Wisconsin). Our conference also did pretty damn well in football this past season with three teams in the top nine, and four in the top 16, of the major polls.

 

[TheRob8801]

Uh, the Big Ten has been pretty good overall in basketball for years, and Texas isn't exactly an elite basketball team right now, being currently outside of the top 20 in the polls and having gone 5-6 in their last 11 games...we have four teams ranked ahead of Texas (in order: Purdue, Ohio State, Michigan State, and Wisconsin). Our conference also did pretty damn well in football this past season with three teams in the top nine, and four in the top 16, of the major polls.

I didn't read the article so I don't know what you're responding to... but to say that Texas has had any more or any less success than any of those big ten teams over the last 15-20 years is pretty debatable.

Final Fours (since 1990):
Michigan State - 5
Ohio State - 2*
Indiana - 2
Michigan - 2**
Minnesota - 1
Wisconsin - 1
Illinois - 1
Texas - 1

*Includes 1999
**Includes 1992 & 1993

Purdue has 0 (Might change this year...I wouldn't bet on it though)

The only truly "elite" team you mentioned here is Michigan State who's been 5 times since 1990.

In terms of team, fans, and overall history I'd say Texas fits in with the Big 10 in basketball just as nicely as football.

 

[msj2487]

Uh, the Big Ten has been pretty good overall in basketball for years, and Texas isn't exactly an elite basketball team right now, being currently outside of the top 20 in the polls and having gone 5-6 in their last 11 games...we have four teams ranked ahead of Texas (in order: Purdue, Ohio State, Michigan State, and Wisconsin). Our conference also did pretty damn well in football this past season with three teams in the top nine, and four in the top 16, of the major polls.

I understand your argument and I agree that the article is wrong in stating that we need someone such as Texas to "vault" us back into the elite status of both football and basketball... but in a different context, Texas certainly "vaults" us into being even more elite than we already are, as Texas has won more games in both football or basketball than any other Division 1A school in the past decade.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I didn't read the article so I don't know what you're responding to... but to say that Texas has had any more or any less success than any of those big ten teams over the last 15-20 years is pretty debatable.

Final Fours (since 1990):
Michigan State - 5
Ohio State - 2*
Indiana - 2
Michigan - 2**
Minnesota - 1
Wisconsin - 1
Illinois - 1
Texas - 1

*Includes 1999
**Includes 1992 & 1993

Purdue has 0 (Might change this year...I wouldn't bet on it though)

The only truly "elite" team you mentioned here is Michigan State who's been 5 times since 1990.

In terms of team, fans, and overall history I'd say Texas fits in with the Big 10 in basketball just as nicely as football.

I wasn't saying that the Big Ten is loaded with "elite" teams. My point was that the addition of Texas isn't going to raise the level of our conference as that article states, seeing as the Big Ten has been pretty good on its own lately. Going by your stats, we've had 14 Final Four appearances as a conference over the last 19 seasons...my math says that's three of every four Final Fours will have a Big Ten team in it, on average. Considering all the conferences in D-I basketball (32 currently), to have a team in the Final Four 75% of the time may just be approaching elite status, don't you think?

 

[TheRob8801]

I wasn't saying that the Big Ten is loaded with "elite" teams. My point was that the addition of Texas isn't going to raise the level of our conference as that article states, seeing as the Big Ten has been pretty good on its own lately. Going by your stats, we've had 14 Final Four appearances as a conference over the last 19 seasons...my math says that's three of every four Final Fours will have a Big Ten team in it, on average. Considering all the conferences in D-I basketball (32 currently), to have a team in the Final Four 75% of the time may just be approaching elite status, don't you think?

I don't want to do the statistics right now but I'd be willing to bet that the Big XII over that period of time has put up similar numbers...

...the only conference I would ever speak of as "elite" in D-1 men's basketball is the ACC. (give the Big East a few more years as is and I'll add them in too)

I think on average the Big Ten is usually 3rd or 4th best among the major D-1 conferences over the years. the ACC and Big East have been dominant...the SEC has had it's runs...and the Pac-10 has been big a few times...but consistently the Big Ten is up there with the Big XII in terms of stature in b-ball...