Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[Dryden]

Do FCS teams play 10?

Most play 11 game regular seasons. 10 vs FCS + 1 vs FBS.

 

[buckeyemania11]

Some loon was on local (California) sports radio this morning talking about how the Pac can survive by adding "programs with powerhouse potential"......"like UNLV and SMU"

 

[Zurp]

I guess it might depend on playoff expansion, and how the conference determines it's champion. If it is one conference championship game and a 4 or 8 team playoff, then maybe they stay at 12. But if there are "conference playoffs" and then "NCAA playoffs" at 16 teams or 32 teams, say, then they might go with 10 or 11 games in the regular season maybe? Do FCS teams play 10?

Hm. I don't think I'll believe that they will downsize the regular season.

 

[Jake]

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

 

[Thump]

Just heard the big ten is thinking of going to a 10 game schedule. Wow talk about pissing off your new members. These games go from annual to never:
USC ND
UCLA Cal
Washington vs st
Oregon vs st
Plus Iowa vs st

All so they can muscle in ND before Stanford ends up somewhere else. Just let ND run free. For the most part only the old Crusty fans want ND in the conference. I don’t want ND to see one penny of big ten money, I don’t care if it makes more for us. I hope nbc gives them just enough to keep them independent.

 

[Thump]

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

 

[zbuck]

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

All you gotta do is sign a GOR for the next 13 years ....

Oh, and you better just buy a 737 for all those cross country flights.

 

[Zurp]

Just heard the big ten is thinking of going to a 10 game schedule. Wow talk about pissing off your new members. These games go from annual to never:
USC ND
UCLA Cal
Washington vs st
Oregon vs st
Plus Iowa vs st

All so they can muscle in ND before Stanford ends up somewhere else. Just let ND run free. For the most part only the old Crusty fans want ND in the conference. I don’t want ND to see one penny of big ten money, I don’t care if it makes more for us. I hope nbc gives them just enough to keep them independent.

Hm... how long until the Juggalos blame this on Ohio State, saying that it's Ohio State's chance to create an excuse to dodge playing UC?

 

[pnuts34]

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

If true, and they're added, Idk how any team leaves the ACC

 

[DaveyBoy]

If true, and they're added, Idk how any team leaves the ACC

Perhaps this is to silence the discussion about the >50% rule to allow exit or even disbandment

Perhaps it is in response to knowing that FSU is probably going to be allowed to leave due to the fraudulent Miss characterization presented by Swofford years ago wrt ACCN


It sucks for Oregon State and Washington STate. They did more than Cal and Stanford to address the new world of college football

 

[dragurd]

All you gotta do is sign a GOR for the next 13 years ....

Oh, and you better just buy a 737 for all those cross country flights.

Cal may sign it. Stanford depends on if they have Big aspirations or not

 

[dragurd]

If true, and they're added, Idk how any team leaves the ACC

Simple they cal and Stanford won't make the the ACC Big Ten/SEC money so those that have those aspirations will always leave be it near future or more likely a decade from now

 

[ExpatAkronite]

Oregon has a new president (started a month ago). Can you imagine stepping into a new job and having a month like that? Holy shit! Dude is going to be ready for retirement before the academic year even begins.

 

[kujirakira]

If we're picking apart the ACC, put me down for taking NCSU and UNC.
I believe the acquisition of two southern state schools in North Carolina would strengthen our brand as being the "southern" conference and it certainly helps with basketball.

Nah i still want UVA and UNC.
ACC clauses are brutal though, so timing will have to wait.

Today's rumor mill:



I'll be glad when the games begin.

I only want 2 of these.
I think up til UW and OU accepted, the discussion was about how long they would wait to get a full cut.
USC and UCLA are stepping straight into it. Seattle and Nike probably thought they could get the same deal - but that's not on the table for them. They're gonna have to come in like Rutgers and Maryland; suck it up for a few years.

Do NOT want cal or stanford.. i respect the schools and the money.. but Culturally I dont really want to bring in schools with so much open disdain for "flyover states" and football culture. Afraid they could almost be a poison pill.

Give me UNC, MAYBE UVA, GT? If we have to go west just stick to adding states with oregon and washington

I would've liked ASU. Prime Joey Freshwater territory. Better than socal imo.

especially when its been bandied about that Cal and Stanford could potentially pull of Univ of Chicago... stop athletics and just focus on their academics if the PAC breaks up and they don't have a home conference

If we added them, this would be my best case scenario tbh. They join CIC, then quit athletics so they don't poison that side.

So Washington and Oregon are taking halfish shares in order to join the B1G, but Rutgers gets a full share? Maybe in the next tv deal they should work out revenue calculation where the bottom 5 schools get smaller shares and the top 5 get more. That might get some of the have nots to do what it takes to try to not to suck as much.

Iirc it took them 7 years to get a fair share.
It will be same for Washington and Oregon. Gotta do your time before that 401k is vested.

I still vote for "The Conference of Northern Aggression" and we can have the Grant and Sherman divisions.

West coast can be Sheridan.
The conference trophy can be named for the Ewings (first Secretary of Interior, raised 4 sons as Union generals, fostered young Sherman when his father died, and his daughter married Sherman)

Not saying that Oregon and UW (the other one), are not respected universities and athletic programs. Being an economic guy, I wonder if the viewing power isn't diluted a bit. Eugene is not a robust in numbers (frankly do not know the viewing sample of them or Oregon St), or that of University of Washington. Certainly Seattle is a large metropolitian area, but now convinced that college football is as rabid there. Anyone know if there was a codicil in the B10 TV viewing agreement that increases the money if more teams are added? If not, then the same money is spread among more teams. OK, from what have read, the 'new two' money is not as great as current B10 teams, and will be more of a gradual increase, ala Rutgers and Maryland, but the law of diminishing returns is being applied here. PS, would maybe 'cut' some current members, based on the AAU philosophy (Nebraska), and viewer attendance (Rutgers, Maryland, Iowa). Anyone know how well the other sports will be impacted by the 'new two'?

Seattle and Portland are decent markets.
Both of these are the flagships of their States, which together delivers the whole Pacific Northwest.
It's not the juciest landgrab in CFB, but it's also not watered down like Florida and Texass.
You get the whole region, with 2 decent cities, for 2 schools.
Oregon is going to have Nike money for awhile. And UW is a great fit culturally. Id want UW regardless, but lowkey would rather have ASU than Oregon.
There's an argument to lock up NorCal with Stanford or Cal, but... no thanks imo.

Approximately nine D1-AA/FCS schools have moved up to 1-A/FBS in each of the last three decades chasing money. This season there will be 133 FBS teams. In 1993 there were 106. In 1983 there were 105.

TV inventory at the top level has become diluted. Both linear and streaming carriers just signaled to the PAC-12 that they’re good with nothing when the alternative is a substandard product in an undesirable time slot. The big state schools that have invested in football for 100+ years aren’t going to continue subsidizing their instate rivals with $3 million paycheck games any longer when they can just add a “conference game” with Rutgers, and NJ residents will happily tune in to watch their home team lose while turning on the money spigot.

Many lower profile schools are going to have drop football, go Independant, or drop back down to FCS or even Division II — where many of them always belonged in the first place. Let’s be honest about the current climate of competitive imbalance here… last season Ohio State scored 77 on eventual MAC champion and Boca Raton Bowl winner Toledo. People were apoplectic OSU played “poorly” and only won by 56.

MidMajors really need to be a separate division. And no FCS games allowed for "P5". That's been an obvious for awhile imo.
Then the mid majors can have their own championship.

Losing OU is the only loss imo.
They gained 3 states, which will help their previous problem of being the Little Texas Conference.
The Texas schools are still the deadweights. Tech, Houston, TCU, Baylor ... i know 2 of those have good on-field performance but at the end of the day they are small alumni bases that disappear as soon as they're not David vs Goliath.
Locking up Colorado, Utah, and Arizona in exchange for losing Austin' poison pill is a W imo.
Trading 2-4 of those forgettable schools for PAC leftovers would be a decent follow up.

So what we have now is two feeder conferences for the NFL. Minor league system that pays some astounding amounts of money if you believe the hype. Minor league baseball pays shit yet manages to keep enough players going. Minor league basketball has not made it. I wonder how long NIL is sustainable.

There's a big difference between the fan interest in regional Flagship University vs weird nameless minor league.

NIL free agency poses an existential threat to that fan interest, but not conference realignment imo.
Also, University baseball was never a big seller like football.
Nobody has been turning out routine 100k attendances for college baseball in my or my father' lifetime.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

Hm... how long until the Juggalos blame this on Ohio State, saying that it's Ohio State's chance to create an excuse to dodge playing UC?

Fuck ‘em. We play schools in Ohio to share the wealth to help support ADs in the state. Since they are now wearing big boy pants, we don’t need to flip ‘em a tip after they’ve shined our shoes. They can afford a new shine box on their own.

See ya in the playoffs, fuckers.