Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[sparcboxbuck]

Why the F would you want to take UNC? That school is a freaking joke.​

UNC, aside from the athletic / academic scandal, is a very good school. Why would you not want them in the B1G? All three schools in the research triangle are very good schools. Aside from Thomas Jefferson U, GAtech, and UofF (but they aren’t going anywhere), I don’t know of any Dixie schools that are better profiles for the B1G. FTR: not counting Tejas as Dixie.

 

[alexhortdog95]

I still feel like Mizzou was a miss for the conference... just a perfect geographical fit in that map.

I wasn't going to say anything till this came across.

HUSH.
YO.
MOUTH.

Mizzory sucks. That is all anyone needs to know.

 

[Zurp]

Would not want to separate the research institutions like that. The B1G is as much about research as it is revenue athletics.

I've heard this before, and I just don't understand. I'm not arguing with you - I really don't understand how athletic conference affiliations have anything to do with research and whatever else goes on "on campus". Is it exposure from the athletic teams being on TV? I'd buy that, if that was the answer. I seriously don't know. I didn't go to a Div-I school, so all I know is what the football team is doing.

And I know my idea has no chance of happening. Unless, of course, my plan to mass-produce armies of monkey robots ever gets off the ground. In that case, you'll see a lot of changes out there. Spoiler alert: one of them will be concentration camps for the Cult of JoePa.

 

[BayBuck]

I wasn't going to say anything till this came across.

HUSH.
YO.
MOUTH.

Mizzory sucks. That is all anyone needs to know.

Hmm. Mizzou is (slightly) higher ranked academically, an AAU member, and has more division titles and better bowl wins since their conference switch. Sounds like someone's jealous.

 

[scarletmike]

I've heard this before, and I just don't understand. I'm not arguing with you - I really don't understand how athletic conference affiliations have anything to do with research and whatever else goes on "on campus". Is it exposure from the athletic teams being on TV? I'd buy that, if that was the answer. I seriously don't know. I didn't go to a Div-I school, so all I know is what the football team is doing.

And I know my idea has no chance of happening. Unless, of course, my plan to mass-produce armies of monkey robots ever gets off the ground. In that case, you'll see a lot of changes out there. Spoiler alert: one of them will be concentration camps for the Cult of JoePa.

The B1G is more than just the athletic side of things, athletics is just the most well-known and publicized part of the conference. Being a member in athletics also means being part of the Big Ten Academic Alliance (formerly the CIC). The exceptions to this are the associate members for athletics, Johns Hopkins (lacrosse) and ND (hockey).

EDIT: I'm fairly certain the PAC has something similar to the BTAA, and I would guess that the ACC does as well. I want to say the SEC has some kind of academic thing too, but...well, its the SEC. Pretty sure the Big XII has nothing, because I'm sure Texas would object if they couldn't rule that too.

 

[alexhortdog95]

Hmm. Mizzou is (slightly) higher ranked academically, an AAU member, and has more division titles and better bowl wins since their conference switch. Sounds like someone's jealous.

Let me address for one second:

#1. It's always funny to me when a person replies with "You must be jealous of <insert noun here>'s success because of your circumstances."

#2. Read this for the AAU crap: http://journalstar.com/news/local/e...cle_19188dda-afe7-57c8-aa2c-c1939ec5acb4.html
All politics, and the former president of Nebraska (Perlman) is no longer employed here for multiple reasons. I loved Gee's reaction of "forming an uprising akin to which took place in Egypt."

#3. Even if you include the 2015 team, Huskers have played in bowl games each year (except the present) they've been in the B1G. That's a 2-4 record in bowls. Mizzory hasn't played in a bowl game (except the present year) in 2 years. What's there to be jealous about - sounds almost the same to me, being that from 1969 to 2004, Huskers had a bowl appearance for 35 straight years. Guess which teams hadn't done that before? tOSU...Bammer...TexPN...Pedsters. Freeshoes got off on a technicality for their bowl game this year.

Jealous of Mizzory? Lordy no.

 

[jwinslow]

I've heard this before, and I just don't understand. I'm not arguing with you - I really don't understand how athletic conference affiliations have anything to do with research and whatever else goes on "on campus".

you're looking at this backwards. The now lucrative athletic conference association was predated in significance by a juggernaut of great academic research entities. While the athletic success has increased donations and revenue, the point is that the conference is a monster independent of the athletics.

Annual research totaling 10 billion.

http://news.psu.edu/story/464091/20...c-alliance’s-research-impact-nears-10-billion

As a comparison, the tv rights deal the league just signed earns them a little less than half a billion per year.


Rutgers was a huge addition for this side of things. Nebraska was supposed to be passable but got dumped after the league was committed.

 

[BayBuck]

Let me address for one second:

#1. It's always funny to me when a person replies with "You must be jealous of <insert noun here>'s success because of your circumstances."

#2. Read this for the AAU crap: http://journalstar.com/news/local/e...cle_19188dda-afe7-57c8-aa2c-c1939ec5acb4.html
All politics, and the former president of Nebraska (Perlman) is no longer employed here for multiple reasons. I loved Gee's reaction of "forming an uprising akin to which took place in Egypt."

#3. Even if you include the 2015 team, Huskers have played in bowl games each year (except the present) they've been in the B1G. That's a 2-4 record in bowls. Mizzory hasn't played in a bowl game (except the present year) in 2 years. What's there to be jealous about - sounds almost the same to me, being that from 1969 to 2004, Huskers had a bowl appearance for 35 straight years. Guess which teams hadn't done that before? tOSU...Bammer...TexPN...Pedsters. Freeshoes got off on a technicality for their bowl game this year.

Jealous of Mizzory? Lordy no.

lol, 1969 to 2004, used to be in the AAU...

Just giving you a hard time man. Anyway, I still think Mizzou would have been better a better add than at least one other new-school B1G program.

 

[jwinslow]

Jealous about B1G expansion = mizzou

 

[alexhortdog95]

lol, 1969 to 2004, used to be in the AAU...

Just giving you a hard time man. Anyway, I still think Mizzou would have been better a better add than at least one other new-school B1G program.

You know I know you're joshin me, man . I would have enjoyed having OU here in the B1G myself, but they enjoy throttling TexPN too much to leave. They've got the Big XII under lock and key now, and have had for a number of years, quite frankly.

If you think that Pedster and TSUN fans are a treat to deal with - try dealing with KSU and Mizzory fans after they beat you once in a good blue moon.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

The B1G is more than just the athletic side of things, athletics is just the most well-known and publicized part of the conference. Being a member in athletics also means being part of the Big Ten Academic Alliance (formerly the CIC). The exceptions to this are the associate members for athletics, Johns Hopkins (lacrosse) and ND (hockey).

EDIT: I'm fairly certain the PAC has something similar to the BTAA, and I would guess that the ACC does as well. I want to say the SEC has some kind of academic thing too, but...well, its the SEC. Pretty sure the Big XII has nothing, because I'm sure Texas would object if they couldn't rule that too.

Unless things have changed it was the Big 10, Pac 10 and Ivy that had these arrangements. I’m sure that others have followed over time.

https://www.btaa.org/about

The academic / research grants created by the alliance generates funding well in excess of those created by athletics. It’s nice to be in a conference that is well off finically due to athletics, but not all the B1G programs revenue sports throw off the kind of money ours does... it’s the research dollars that matter.

Edit: or what @jwinslow said.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I fully expect to get blasted by this because many on here have strong opinions against certain schools for non-business related reasons. And admittedly I am not super knowledgeable about a lot of this so I am just curious something.

Why not go to 20 by adding these 6 teams.

Texas
+ massive recruiting base and population, etc. plus solid football tradition (even if you don't like it)
- yes I know their egos, TV contracts, etc.

Oklahoma
+ historically good football and you kinda have to have them to land UT
- one of the ugliest states in the US in my opinion but whatever

Oklahoma State
+ mullets
- I know, I know they aren't great but just trying to grease the wheels of making things happen and it protects Bedlam.

Notre Dame
+ see some of Texas positives as they seem similar but they also have their own unique benefits
- see Texas negatives, they seem similar but they also have their own unique annoyances

Virginia
+ good academics, good recruiting area, big population base, seems like a sleeper school w/ sports
- i'm sure there are a bunch, not sure

Ga Tech
* no clue but +/- seems similar to UVA

So, like I said this is just a total novice suggestion but in terms of a very strong conference it seems to mark of a lot of boxes to me - sports, recruiting bases, eyeballs, academics, regional considerations, etc.

Go ahead and hammer on me now. I'm sure there are many flaws to the more experienced on this issue.

Having Texas and Notre Dame in your conference is like having leukemia and ballsack cancer at the same time. You might not know which one will get you first, but you do know that things aren't going to end well.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

you're looking at this backwards. The now lucrative athletic conference association was predated in significance by a juggernaut of great academic research entities. While the athletic success has increased donations and revenue, the point is that the conference is a monster independent of the athletics.

Annual research totaling 10 billion.

http://news.psu.edu/story/464091/20...c-alliance’s-research-impact-nears-10-billion

As a comparison, the tv rights deal the league just signed earns them a little less than half a billion per year.


Rutgers was a huge addition for this side of things. Nebraska was supposed to be passable but got dumped after the league was committed.

Ohio State's research budget alone has a total economic impact to the state of Ohio of roughly $15 billion dollars and 35,000 (mostly very well paying) jobs. By many indicators including total employment, median salary levels and total economic impact, Ohio State is the most important economic enterprise in the entire state.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

I fully expect to get blasted by this because many on here have strong opinions against certain schools for non-business related reasons. And admittedly I am not super knowledgeable about a lot of this so I am just curious something.

Why not go to 20 by adding these 6 teams.

Texas
+ massive recruiting base and population, etc. plus solid football tradition (even if you don't like it)
- yes I know their egos, TV contracts, etc.

Oklahoma
+ historically good football and you kinda have to have them to land UT
- one of the ugliest states in the US in my opinion but whatever

Oklahoma State
+ mullets
- I know, I know they aren't great but just trying to grease the wheels of making things happen and it protects Bedlam.

Notre Dame
+ see some of Texas positives as they seem similar but they also have their own unique benefits
- see Texas negatives, they seem similar but they also have their own unique annoyances

Virginia
+ good academics, good recruiting area, big population base, seems like a sleeper school w/ sports
- i'm sure there are a bunch, not sure

Ga Tech
* no clue but +/- seems similar to UVA

So, like I said this is just a total novice suggestion but in terms of a very strong conference it seems to mark of a lot of boxes to me - sports, recruiting bases, eyeballs, academics, regional considerations, etc.

Go ahead and hammer on me now. I'm sure there are many flaws to the more experienced on this issue.

I'll take Oklahoma for football, Virginia for academics, hard pass on all of the rest.

 

[Zurp]

The B1G is more than just the athletic side of things, athletics is just the most well-known and publicized part of the conference. Being a member in athletics also means being part of the Big Ten Academic Alliance (formerly the CIC). The exceptions to this are the associate members for athletics, Johns Hopkins (lacrosse) and ND (hockey).

EDIT: I'm fairly certain the PAC has something similar to the BTAA, and I would guess that the ACC does as well. I want to say the SEC has some kind of academic thing too, but...well, its the SEC. Pretty sure the Big XII has nothing, because I'm sure Texas would object if they couldn't rule that too.

you're looking at this backwards. The now lucrative athletic conference association was predated in significance by a juggernaut of great academic research entities. While the athletic success has increased donations and revenue, the point is that the conference is a monster independent of the athletics.

Annual research totaling 10 billion.

http://news.psu.edu/story/464091/20...c-alliance’s-research-impact-nears-10-billion

As a comparison, the tv rights deal the league just signed earns them a little less than half a billion per year.


Rutgers was a huge addition for this side of things. Nebraska was supposed to be passable but got dumped after the league was committed.

OK - so I start a totally legal "get rich quick" scheme, where the only one getting rich at all is me. I decide that I want to donate money to cancer research. I know that Zurp State University is well-respected in its cancer research. (Maybe I researched it, somehow.) Do I care that they're in the Big Ten, or the PAC-12? Or whatever conference they're in? I'm not donating to the entire conference. Or am I? Do people donate to the conference for cancer research? I know that there's a lot more research than just cancer research, so maybe I should expand and use more than just cancer research. How about robotics research and vehicle safety research and deep sea exploration research and alternative fuels research.

I'd suppose that most of the research money would be coming from the government or corporations. But even so, are they donating to the AAU or the UAA or whatever it's called? Are they donating to the Big Ten? Or are they donating to individual schools?

And let's say you're all right. It's a "monster, independent of the athletics". Can it be separated from the athletics? Can we have, say, a "Big Ten Academic Conference" and a "Big Ten Athletic Conference"?