Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[HorseshoeFetish]

1) division (I'll start using this term instead of pod).

2) video = well played. Of course they feel un-B1G now, they are ACC. They truly belong in the ACC. But this is operating under the idea that the ACC no longer exists. If that is the case, these are more B1G teams than they are SEC teams and would eventually meld into the B1G culture over the years of playing lots of B1G conference games against teams like Ohio St, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, ect.

3) This would be for football only,

In the order they have been made bold.

Thank God, Why thank you, May I ask at what time in history did segregation ever lend itself to "melding"?

And football to me is the problem. say I concede you the east and all of your chosen teams..Looking at it...it says WEAK to me..but ok..so you play those three games..what happens when your schedule includes Indiana, Purdue, Minn, Ill and NW...? Could it ever happen? Could scUM or Us ever get such a schedule? I'm asking because that just doesn't say BIG Champion to me at all.

 

[rampageripster]

When I said the tiebreakers would be crazy, I was specifically referring to if there were 4 DIVISIONS (this is my attempt to buck the term "pods"), and the conference championship game pitted the two best teams from the 4 divisions (as opposed to having 2 "eastern" divisions having a representative and 2 "western" divisions having a representative).

Imagine if somehow each division had their division winner at 10-2 with 1 division loss (I know, I'm reaching here but crazier things have happened and just trying to illustrate a point). How do you choose the 2 best? The chances that they've all played each other are remote.

tiebreakers always suck... look at that Tex/OU/TTU mess we had a few years ago... I think you'll find this is a problem regardless of the conference set-up

And I get it, divisions, not pods. I wasn't particularly attached to the term, just used it to differentiate from two 8 team divisions.

 

[rampageripster]

In the order they have been made bold.

Thank God, Why thank you, May I ask at what time in history did segregation ever lend itself to "melding"?

And football to me is the problem. say I concede you the east and all of your chosen teams..Looking at it...it says WEAK to me..but ok..so you play those three games..what happens when your schedule includes Indiana, Purdue, Minn, Ill and NW...? Could it ever happen? Could scUM or Us ever get such a schedule? I'm asking because that just doesn't say BIG Champion to me at all.

They aren't being segregated. It's not like we are putting them alone in a corner to play amongst themselves. They would have a full B1G schedule and would play 6 other B1G teams a season (at least) traveling all over the conference as well as sending teams to them. Sure, they could get REALLY lucky and have a conference schedule of IU, PU, Ill, NW, Minn, Iowa and their division, but you could say that Michigan (if MSU dips back down) could have the same easy ride. It would be just as likely for them to have a schedule of OSU, PSU, UM, MSU, Wisc, Neb plus their division.

I'm starting to get the idea that you are more just against adding these ACC teams. This is more of an exercise in experimenting with different conference structures. The 4 division structure is one that has been tossed around the most and works best for such a sprawling conference. It's best for reinforcing regional rivalries while guaranteeing that each team gets to play everyone in 5 years (nearly everyone in 4).

 

[HorseshoeFetish]

I'm starting to get the idea that you are more just against adding these ACC teams.

Oh so would it be safe to assume then that you are a HUGE ACC fan and think they deserve special treatment...maybe cover them in bubble wrap?

Maybe UNC, DUKE or GT would only have to play traditional BIG schools away in August or September too...


Let me put it this way....Could any of those teams beat tOSU in football in the last 11 years? Last year..maybe, but the answer is no. So they can't have a ACC division of the BIG..sorry not earned.

And yes..by leaving them all in the same division together they're segregated.

Why can't you put 1 new school with 3 traditional schools and call it a day?

I mean seriously...you say we won't lose rivalry games so how would they..

And WTF a Duke/ Wisconsin football rivalry that could even work into a BB as well? I hate Wisconsin as much as the next BUCKEYE here...but they'd kill Duke in football.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

I know it has been brought up before, but would we be willing to say bye-bye to Ped State? Who would replace all that Ped State has given us?

Why do you think Swofford brought in Syracuse and Pittsburgh last September? It wasn?t a basketball move, as some suggest, it was an all-inclusive move. If you want Notre Dame, adding the ?Cuse and Pitt are bait.


And, if you can get Notre Dame, then maybe there?s a chance Penn State would bolt from the Big Ten and could be more likely now more than ever before. The school might want to get a fresh start after the Jerry Sandusky disgrace, and the ACC will offer it a place to rehab with a collection of respected schools.


The conference would also allow Penn State to return to its roots of playing mostly an eastern schedule, and plenty of PSU fans have long wanted inclusion into the ACC. The school first approached the ACC before joining the Big ten 20 years ago.


This 16-team ACC would then be in Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Washington, Atlanta, and Chicago -- six of the top nine media market -- and then could launch its own TV network to rake in even more cash.


Of course, the conference would have to start winning important games, but there?s no way Florida State, Miami, Notre Dame and even Penn State are going to remain mediocre forever.


But the key is the Irish, even if PSU is a pipe dream. If FSU and Clemson leave because the ACC is no longer at the big boys? table then expect others to also bolt. The ACC will either be a shamed shadow of its former self or a sad fatality of the sickening greed-consuming college sports. It won?t last.

http://www.foxsportssouth.com/05/21...I/landing_acc.html?blockID=732704&feedID=3703

 

[Woody1968]

Really? You don't see anything wrong with....in just Football alone.

Midwest: UM, MSU, UI, NW
West: UW, Minn, Iowa, Neb
Mid-East: PSU, tOSU, IU, PU
vs.

East:UNC, UVA, Duke, MD/GT

I'd say Duke has a better chance of winning the east in football, by far and away, compared to the hill Minnesota would have to climb...or say Purdue, Indiana, NW.

And with all due respect..it's not like we're joining the ACC here..they can have their rivalry games..someone get creative with scheduling, but I'll be damned if our traditional games like the Buckeye/ Wolverine or even the Illini/Wildcats get the axe so that we can watch Maryland play Virginia every year. They need to create some new rivalries too ya know and not live in a sheltered pod of their own.

And yes I get the whole geographical and logistic benefits of putting them together....but it doesn't make it right...and it's a damn far sight from being perfect.

1. UNC andd GT are bigger rivals to UVA than MD is.
2. The Pod System keeps at least one protected rivalry, just like the current system.

 

[Woody1968]

I know it has been brought up before, but would we be willing to say bye-bye to Ped State? Who would replace all that Ped State has given us?



http://www.foxsportssouth.com/05/21...I/landing_acc.html?blockID=732704&feedID=3703

We mock them, but Ped state would be foolish to leave, and I doubt the B1G would want to give up one of the most popular teams in the Northeast.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

We mock them, but Ped state would be foolish to leave, and I doubt the B1G would want to give up one of the most popular teams in the Northeast.

I found this to be funny.

would also allow Penn State to return to its roots of playing mostly an eastern schedule

Oooh! A schedule of juggernauts like in the past. Throw in that OOC game against Temple and you have got a good 8-3 season.

 

[Woody1968]

I found this to be funny.



Oooh! A schedule of juggernauts like in the past. Throw in that OOC game against Temple and you have got a good 8-3 season.

I did too, until I met a bunch of their stupid fans here in NYC.

 

[ScriptOhio]

We mock them, but Ped state would be foolish to leave, and I doubt the B1G would want to give up one of the most popular teams in the Northeast.

The B1G currently has the biggest TV money payout. No team would want to leave to make less money in another conference. Plus they have the best bowl tie-ins. It's all about the money.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

I did too, until I met a bunch of their stupid fans here in NYC.

Show me on the doll where they tried to touch you. Oh, you were older than 10? Nevermind.

 

[rampageripster]

Losing PSU would kill any eastern expansion

 

[Piney]

The B1G currently has the biggest TV money payout. No team would want to leave to make less money in another conference. Plus they have the best bowl tie-ins. It's all about the money.

Losing PSU would kill any eastern expansion

NEVER would lose PSU to the ACC. It would be too costly to PSU to leave. Not only would they be losing out on B1G TV revenue, there is this small thing about the B1G owning their TV rights til like 2025 that every B1G signed over for the BTN.

So if PSU would want to leave, they would have to BUY back their TV rights. #1 Doubt the B1G would even let them, #2 but if they did it would cost what... $100+ million? So really cost prohibitive to leave.

Really any talk of PSU leaving is just certain PSU fans and ACC fans dreaming.

 

[Woody1968]

Show me on the doll where they tried to touch you. Oh, you were older than 10? Nevermind.

Yeah, I'm safe.

 

[Mike80]

Losing PSU would kill any eastern expansion

If the Pedtards even voice the idea, I think the BiG should make them pay for it and cut them loose. The lack of foresight and planning by that decision should disqualify them from being in the Big Ten.

But it won't happen. As much as the Ped State fanbase is inbred and stupid, their administration by and large is not. They won't make that decision.