Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[Mrstickball]

This whole thing has basically been like crack to me. I feel like I did as an adolescent when I got in to "professional wrestling." The drama, the plot, the suspense is too hard to ignore!

Me too. I am young and haven't been into football long enough to remember the big re-alignments of years gone by.

Its amazing that I may be able to point to these events in decades ahead and say "I remember when Nebraska joined the Big 10 then X, Y, and Z left the Big 12 and it collapsed"

Then my daughter will ask "What was the Big 12?"
I will tell her "It was a lot like a turd in a toilet. You knew that eventually it was going to flush down the drain, and once it did, the whole room would smell a lot better".
She will then ask "Well, what is the SEC?"
I will reply "When your old enough to understand what an upper-decker is...I will tell you"...

 

[ScriptOhio]

This whole thing has basically been like crack to me. I feel like I did as an adolescent when I got in to "professional wrestling." The drama, the plot, the suspense is too hard to ignore!

Best SOAP operas of all time:

1. Dallas
2. WWE
3. Peyton Place
4. 2011 NCAA football conference realignment
5. Lebron's Decision...

 

[kn1f3party]

Best SOAP operas of all time:

1. Dallas
2. WWE
3. Peyton Place
4. 2012 NCAA football conference realignment
5. Lebron's Decision...

2011 was a good year for realignment addiction as well. And "The Decision" sucked me in, I shamefully admit :(.

 

[ScriptOhio]

2011 was a good year for realignment addiction as well. And "The Decision" sucked me in, I shamefully admit :(.

Typo, I meant 2011......

 

[kn1f3party]

Typo, I meant 2011......

Don't feel bad, I meant 2010.

 

[kn1f3party]

Wetzel writes about how Big East and Big XII dug their own graves when they shot down a playoff proposal by the ACC and SEC:

As I wrote in June 2010, the Big 12 and Big East all but assured their demise when, back in 2008, they joined the Big Ten and Pac-10 to block a proposal by the SEC and ACC for a four-team playoff (a plus-one).

The commissioners, and the campus leaders they answer to, never saw a playoff for what it was ? not just a better postseason system, but a lifeline that offered them the diversified revenue streams and competitive stability that could have helped assure their survival.

http://t.co/cxR87rZa

He is right probably. This is what the BCS is going to result in. A playoff probably could "fix" the problem. People are going to have to get over their dissatisfaction with one or the other.

 

[DallasHusker]

I'm not one to tell someone what they should or shouldn't do, but if we all adopted this attitude we'd be Texas and the Big Ten would be the Big XII. This just isn't the culture of the Big Ten. We do care about what benefits our member schools and our conference in general.

Exactly... Which is why I'm thrilled that my Huskers are in the Big Ten. Amazing how many Big XII area sportswriters are coming out of the woodwork to reverse themselves and admit that Nebraska made a fantastic decision and move last year.

FORT WORTH, Texas - Full credit here to the Children of the Corn, even though that was me some 16 months ago, saying Nebraska sniveled its way out of the Big 12. But it's also me saying today that the Cornhuskers made a brilliant jump.

Next in line this morning for full credit would be the Texas Aggies. All that Reveille barking was up the right tree.


The message in both cases was simple and direct:

We don't want our future in football, or anything else, tied to The Man in Austin.


Nebraska got out, and the Aggies are getting out. Both moves involved landing in much more stable football precincts.


Better and much more stable because there is no Daddy DeLoss guarding his Fort Knox-like vault.


Speaking of brilliance, Mr. Dodds is the best in college football in his watchdog role of protecting all things UT, no matter the big-picture consequences for others in his conference family.


It's greed, it's arrogance, it's....the American way. And certainly the University of Texas way.

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2011/09/21/2195629/oklahoma-gasps-for-air-after-texas.html

 

[kn1f3party]

Another interesting observation on cultural differences of conferences:

The Big Ten, I think, is rare in that fans of a particular school do cheer on other member schools during bowl season. There is a lot of cameraderie amongst schools until they meet on the field. Even our rivalry with scUM has been good natured: them giving us script Ohio, Woody and Bo being thick as thieves, etc. I really do think the Big Ten considers these sorts of things when looking at candidates, they want to know if a new school will fit in to what we've had because it isn't going to change for anyone. Penn State has done it and it seems Nebraska has as well. You can see why we have to be patient. There aren't many choices left that fit in the way the others have and also add value to the conference.

 

[MaliBuckeye]

The Big Ten, I think, is rare in that fans of a particular school do cheer on other member schools during bowl season.

S!E!C! S!E!C! S!E!C!


(to be fair, that only happens when they win)

 

[kn1f3party]

S!E!C! S!E!C! S!E!C!


(to be fair, that only happens when they win)

I almost included them, but backspaced and changed it. I've met a lot more lately now that I'm working on a military base and I don't think it is true. They don't want the others to do well, they just care that their conference looks powerful. The cameraderie isn't the same. And you're right, if they weren't winning they'd care less about the other schools.

I actually want to see Northwestern play well. When they lose like they did to Army I feel for them. With Persa in they'd be a whole lot tougher to handle. But SEC fans are pissed at Georgia for making them look bad against Boise State.

Don't get it.

 

[PlanetFrnd]

Another interesting observation on cultural differences of conferences:

The Big Ten, I think, is rare in that fans of a particular school do cheer on other member schools during bowl season. There is a lot of cameraderie amongst schools until they meet on the field. Even our rivalry with scUM has been good natured: them giving us script Ohio, Woody and Bo being thick as thieves, etc. I really do think the Big Ten considers these sorts of things when looking at candidates, they want to know if a new school will fit in to what we've had because it isn't going to change for anyone. Penn State has done it and it seems Nebraska has as well. You can see why we have to be patient. There aren't many choices left that fit in the way the others have and also add value to the conference.

Speak for yourself.

After burning Ann Arbor to the ground, I would piss on its smoldering ashes before applying salt (and not good Kosher sea salt, either; cheap Walmart brand driveway salt...). All survivors would be put to an inquisition that would make Ferdinand and Isabella blush, resulting in all non-recanters to be banished to the Northwest Territories, and any of the "converted" 'ganders with that terrible fucking accent would be sent to the UP, which I would give to [strike]Wisconsin[/strike] Minnesota. The lower portion of the state - free of 'ganders - would be an annex of Ohio, to be used as a combination of recreational areas and landfill...

...but that's just me.

 

[kn1f3party]

Speak for yourself.

After burning Ann Arbor to the ground, I would [censored] on its smoldering ashes before applying salt (and not good Kosher sea salt, either; cheap Walmart brand driveway salt...). All survivors would be put to an inquisition that would make Ferdinand and Isabella blush, resulting in all non-recanters to be banished to the Northwest Territories, and any of the "converted" 'ganders with that terrible [censored]ing accent would be sent to the UP, which I would give to [strike]Wisconsin[/strike] Minnesota. The lower portion of the state - free of 'ganders - would be an annex of Ohio, to be used as a combination of recreational areas and landfill...

...but that's just me.

Don't get me wrong, I hate them too. But, !

 

[brodybuck21]

Speak for yourself.

After burning Ann Arbor to the ground, I would [censored] on its smoldering ashes before applying salt (and not good Kosher sea salt, either; cheap Walmart brand driveway salt...). All survivors would be put to an inquisition that would make Ferdinand and Isabella blush, resulting in all non-recanters to be banished to the Northwest Territories, and any of the "converted" 'ganders with that terrible [censored]ing accent would be sent to the UP, which I would give to [strike]Wisconsin[/strike] Minnesota. The lower portion of the state - free of 'ganders - would be an annex of Ohio, to be used as a combination of recreational areas and landfill...

...but that's just me.

GPfuckingA

 

[woofermazing]

Speak for yourself.

After burning Ann Arbor to the ground, I would [censored] on its smoldering ashes before applying salt (and not good Kosher sea salt, either; cheap Walmart brand driveway salt...). All survivors would be put to an inquisition that would make Ferdinand and Isabella blush, resulting in all non-recanters to be banished to the Northwest Territories, and any of the "converted" 'ganders with that terrible [censored]ing accent would be sent to the UP, which I would give to [strike]Wisconsin[/strike] Minnesota. The lower portion of the state - free of 'ganders - would be an annex of Ohio, to be used as a combination of recreational areas and landfill...

...but that's just me.

 

[kn1f3party]

Another interesting observation on cultural differences of conferences:

The Big Ten, I think, is rare in that fans of a particular school do cheer on other member schools during bowl season. There is a lot of cameraderie amongst schools until they meet on the field. Even our rivalry with scUM has been good natured at times: them giving us script Ohio, Woody and Bo being thick as thieves, etc. I really do think the Big Ten considers these sorts of things when looking at candidates, they want to know if a new school will fit in to what we've had because it isn't going to change for anyone. Penn State has done it and it seems Nebraska has as well. You can see why we have to be patient. There aren't many choices left that fit in the way the others have and also add value to the conference.

I think this helps contextualize what I said...

Don't want to get a reputation for being a weasil sympathizer.