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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  • Boston College

    Votes: 32 10.2%
  • Cincinnati

    Votes: 19 6.1%
  • Connecticut

    Votes: 6 1.9%
  • Duke

    Votes: 21 6.7%
  • Georgia Tech

    Votes: 55 17.6%
  • Kansas

    Votes: 46 14.7%
  • Maryland

    Votes: 67 21.4%
  • Missouri

    Votes: 90 28.8%
  • North Carolina

    Votes: 39 12.5%
  • Notre Dame

    Votes: 209 66.8%
  • Oklahoma

    Votes: 78 24.9%
  • Pittsburgh

    Votes: 45 14.4%
  • Rutgers

    Votes: 40 12.8%
  • Syracuse

    Votes: 18 5.8%
  • Texas

    Votes: 121 38.7%
  • Vanderbilt

    Votes: 15 4.8%
  • Virginia

    Votes: 47 15.0%
  • Virginia Tech

    Votes: 62 19.8%
  • Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    Votes: 27 8.6%
  • Add some other school(s) not listed

    Votes: 25 8.0%

  • Total voters
    313
Andy Staples, SI, writes we shouldn't call the Big XII saved just yet:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/09/22/big12.agreement/?xid=cnnbin

To hear Boren tell it, the nine remaining schools have agreed in principle to grant their first- and second-tier media rights to the Big 12 for the next six years. Boren's tone made it seem as if nine signatures will finalize the deal and the league can enjoy near-ironclad security through its next media rights negotiation. (What does it means to grant first- and second-tier rights? Basically, a school turns over the rights to its best football and basketball games to the conference. This effectively renders the schools worthless to any other conferences. If, say, Missouri wanted to go to the SEC, the Tigers could leave, but the Big 12 would get all of Missouri's TV money for the length of the deal. The Big Ten and Pac-12 have similar agreements to remove any incentive to conference-hop.) Deaton did not go nearly as far as Boren. He said the nine CEOs had agreed to discuss such a move, but he said they had not agreed upon it yet. Deaton also refused to commit to keeping Missouri -- which flirted with the SEC in recent weeks -- in the conference long-term. Asked Thursday if the Tigers could leave if the Big 12 couldn't work out its issues, Deaton told reporters, "That's a hypothetical that could occur."

The security of the Big 12 boils down to this: If the schools sign that grant of rights deal, the league will stay together for at least as long as the deal is in place. If the schools don't sign that deal, we'll all be watching Realignmentpalooza again this time next year.

If the deal gets signed, the Big 12 will be able to lure either one or three more schools to join. If the deal doesn't get signed, it might be hard to find a decent school that wants to join a group that has created such a toxic atmosphere in recent years.

Neither Boren nor Deaton got into specifics about potential restrictions on Texas' Longhorn Network. Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds said Wednesday that the school would not have to share revenue from the network, a lucrative partnership with ESPN that involves the Longhorns' third-tier media rights. At issue now is whether the conference will allow the Longhorn Network to show high school highlights, which would add yet another dimension to Bevo's already-significant recruiting advantages. This will be interesting to watch, especially since Oklahoma is in the process of starting its own network.

Also, Boren said Oklahoma would be willing to agree to equal revenue sharing for first- and second-tier rights -- provided it was phased in gradually. That means Kansas State or Iowa State would receive the same amount of money from the league's richest media deals as Oklahoma and Texas, even though Oklahoma and Texas appear on television far more often. Certainly, that can be worked through as long as the schools agree to grant their rights to the conference. Once that happens, the Big 12 is together -- for better or worse.
 
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Wednesday that the school would not have to share revenue from the network, a lucrative partnership with ESPN that involves the Longhorns' third-tier media rights. At issue now is whether the conference will allow the Longhorn Network to show high school highlights, which would add yet another dimension to Bevo's already-significant recruiting advantages. This will be interesting to watch, especially since Oklahoma is in the process of starting its own network.

Also, Boren said Oklahoma would be willing to agree to equal revenue sharing for first- and second-tier rights -- provided it was phased in gradually. That means Kansas State or Iowa State would receive the same amount of money from the league's richest media deals as Oklahoma and Texas, even though Oklahoma and Texas appear on television far more often. Certainly, that can be worked through as long as the schools agree to grant their rights to the conference. Once that happens, the Big 12 is together -- for better or worse.

So in the end Texas gets its way, an unshared revenue stream, Okie strikes its own TV deal and eight other Palooka's agree to take a small cut of the swag and get beat up on Saturdays for the foreseeable future. The imbalance which already exists in most college conferences is only going to grow larger.

At what point are college presidents going to step up and demand that their schools get back to the real business of education?
 
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cincibuck;1997172; said:
So in the end Texas gets its way, an unshared revenue stream, Okie strikes its own TV deal and eight other Palooka's agree to take a small cut of the swag and get beat up on Saturdays for the foreseeable future. The imbalance which already exists in most college conferences is only going to grow larger.

At what point are college presidents going to step up and demand that their schools get back to the real business of education?

Actually, it is only seven Palookas left. They are looking for an eighth, ninth and tenth Palooka, though.
 
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Somebody help me out here: Exactly how do you deretmine a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd tier game?

In the B1G is first tier actually 1st choice from all games by a major network (ABC), is 2nd tier is 1st choice of remaining games for ESPN, and is 3rd tier what ever is left for the BTN? Anyway the Ohio State games seem to almost always be on the major network or ESPN; i.e. do not seem to be on the BTN very often.

And who owns TV rights to a game (if it isn't signed over to the conference), the home team, the visiting team. or do both schools share it?

OK, I'm wondering if Texas is (almost) always picked up as a tier 1 or tier 2 game (and like Ohio State, they probably are); won't there will be no (or very few) Texas games left for the LHN to televise?

:confused:
 
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ScriptOhio;1997228; said:
OK, I'm wondering if Texas is (almost) always picked up as a tier 1 or tier 2 game (and like Ohio State, they probably are); won't there will be no (or very few) Texas games left for the LHN to televise?

:confused:

If I understand correctly, I think you're right... Texas games (like OSU) are almost always national or regional (except the early-season crap games)... I think the virtually all the other sports and programming (with the exception of men's basketball) would be Tier 3... I think Texas wants to retain all of that on their own network... not sure that bothers me at all... now that I'm thinking about it, maybe the lines grey around things like conference and national tournaments/championships (again, not football or men's basketball) and other events that usually make ESPNU or the 2nd B1G channel?

of coursse, someone please correct me if I'm wrong
 
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ScriptOhio;1997228; said:
Somebody help me out here: Exactly how do you deretmine a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd tier game?

In the B1G is first tier actually 1st choice from all games by a major network (ABC), is 2nd tier is 1st choice of remaining games for ESPN, and is 3rd tier what ever is left for the BTN?

Put simply, yes. The tiers basically lay out the order of refusal for telecasting each event.

ScriptOhio;1997228; said:
And who owns TV rights to a game (if it isn't signed over to the conference), the home team, the visiting team. or do both schools share it?

The home team owns the rights, unless they sell them to the away team or their conference. It's why Nebraska (at Wyoming) is on Versus this week rather than BTN.

ScriptOhio;1997228; said:
OK, I'm wondering if Texas is (almost) always picked up as a tier 1 or tier 2 game (and like Ohio State, they probably are); won't there will be no (or very few) Texas games left for the LHN to televise?

:confused:

Pretty much. It's not meant to broadcast all the football games - the 1 or 2 games they'd have per year are just there to try to make people desperate enough to want the channel on their provider. Their inventory is going to be heavy on basketball, baseball, coaches shows and other original programming (and possibly HS/recruiting content if they have their way).
 
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cincibuck;1997172; said:
At what point are college presidents going to step up and demand that their schools get back to the real business of education?
I really don't think that college presidents are spending that much time on this. It's way more interesting to, and time-consuming for, us fans. Education isn't suffering as a result of this carnival.
 
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BusNative;1997239; said:
If I understand correctly, I think you're right... Texas games (like OSU) are almost always national or regional (except the early-season crap games)... I think the virtually all the other sports and programming (with the exception of men's basketball) would be Tier 3... I think Texas wants to retain all of that on their own network... not sure that bothers me at all... now that I'm thinking about it, maybe the lines grey around things like conference and national tournaments/championships (again, not football or men's basketball) and other events that usually make ESPNU or the 2nd B1G channel?

of coursse, someone please correct me if I'm wrong

jlb1705;1997252; said:
Put simply, yes. The tiers basically lay out the order of refusal for telecasting each event.



The home team owns the rights, unless they sell them to the away team or their conference. It's why Nebraska (at Wyoming) is on Versus this week rather than BTN.



Pretty much. It's not meant to broadcast all the football games - the 1 or 2 games they'd have per year are just there to try to make people desperate enough to want the channel on their provider. Their inventory is going to be heavy on basketball, baseball, coaches shows and other original programming (and possibly HS/recruiting content if they have their way).

Yep. The big problems the rest of the Big-Remainders conference has with the LHN really boil down to two things, and neither one is the revenue stream. That was known from the beginning. In order of importance:


  1. The showing of high school content - of any kind, although primarily football. This is obviously a huge recruiting advantage - "commit to Texas, and we'll get all (or a lot) of your high school games televised on our Longhorn Network this year!" The conference and NCAA nixed that (at least temporarily) so then they said they'd just show "highlights" not the whole games. Which, as has been pointed out, means they can quietly assure recruits that although they can't broadcast the whole game, that now they can put together a weekly highlight reel showcasing their recruits without all of the other filler in-between - possibly even MORE of a recruiting advantage!
  2. It was originally announced that ONE Texas football game per year would be televised by LHN, and that one was planned to be a non-conference game. Recently though, ESPN moved a second Texas game - IN-conference - from ESPN to the LHN. That means Texas gets ALL the revenue from that game, and pretty much that game will be unavailable in the opponent's (non-Texas) home viewing area.
 
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cincibuck;1997172; said:
At what point are college presidents going to step up and demand that their schools get back to the real business of soliciting research funding?

FIFY

jlb1705;1997252; said:
Put simply, yes. The tiers basically lay out the order of refusal for telecasting each event.

This. ABC gets up to 17 games a season, those would be the Tier 1. They get to pick which games to broadcast (first pick means they'll get the most valuable games). ESPN/ESPN2 gets to choose among the remaining games for 25 or so to broadcast (Tier 2). Everything left in the pot is Tier 3 & in the B1G will end up on the BTN.

DallasHusker;1997269; said:
[*]It was originally announced that ONE Texas football game per year would be televised by LHN, and that one was planned to be a non-conference game. Recently though, ESPN moved a second Texas game - IN-conference - from ESPN to the LHN. That means Texas gets ALL the revenue from that game, and pretty much that game will be unavailable in the opponent's (non-Texas) home viewing area.
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It's important to point out that ESPN can't just 'move' a Big 12 game to the LHN without the approval of the other team. So Kansas is complicit as they willingly sold their rights to ESPN/LHN. Texas Tech & another team (don't recall who) had refused the offer before Kansas accepted.
 
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