Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[Gaffords]

I don't really understand why the Big 10 is so interested in adding Texas or Notre Dame. Sure, they might bring in more money, but both schools have proven themselves to be pretty self-centered when it comes to supporting their conferences. Texas is largely responsible for the Big 12 losing members with their insistence on starting the Long Horn Network. Notre Dame just uses the Big East as a place to park their non-football sports. The Big 10 is one of the most stable and prestigious conferences there is. I'd be really selective on who you let in.

But that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

How is Texas responsible for the break up of the BIG 12? We sold our T-3 right just like 75% of all other Schools out there. tOSU sold theirs a couple of years ago for 110 million over a 10 year span...

http://www.cbssports.com/general/story/11569497

We didn't break a single bylaw in the BIG 12 or the NCAA. Not a single one...
The only thing different is that UT came up with a different way of doing it...

Florida sold theirs to the SUN network that shows Florida Sports 24/7.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Sports

Kansas built the Jayhawk network several years ago that makes bank on their Basket Ball games.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2011/sep/03/longhorn-network-will-show-ku-game/

There are tons of teams making a killing on their T-3 rights all over the country in several different ways. In most conferences this has always been allowed and teams have been making a killing off of them for years!

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/05/06/school-specific-broadcasting-revenue/

The only difference is that we brainstormed a 24/7 network for our T-3 rights... We did some legwork on it and didn't like what we saw so we asked Texas A&M to go in as partners but they didn't think it was viable. So we turned to an outside source and asked for a professional opinion from IMG. Three years later they pitched the idea to FOX and ESPN. Fox offered 3 million a year but ESPN said hold on a second my friend... How about 11 million a year and 4 million to IMG.

That puts us right up there around the top with other earners for their T-3 rights. What school in the country wouldn't jump on that deal? And exactly what is wrong with it? Outside of fan forums and media hoopla, what do you perceive that we did something wrong?

And now that I am here, I will be happy to field any questions about the Big Bad Bully Evil Bevo Empire and separate fact from media/fan driven fiction.

But before you base your hatred for a school and a conference you really know nothing about other than fan driven hatred, please read this article written a year ago in Omaha Nebraska about the reason Nebraska left the BIG 12. This article is based on an interview with The University of Nebraska-Lincoln chancellor Harvey Perlman.

http://www.omaha.com/article/20100830/BIGRED/708309872#the-big-ten-decision

Personally I am shocked this thing actually made it to press in Nebraska. After you read it, I hope it starts to open your mind to there being two sides to every coin and it would be kinda stupid for me to base my opinion of tOSU based your rivals forums if the situation was reversed.

Okay... Now if anyone is curious about UT or what has taken place inside the BIG 12/SWC (since we destroyed it too), I will try to separate fact from fiction with links. I know we are arrogant but what school isn't when dealing with their rivals? But if any of you follow any of the BIG 12 forums, you have an idea where the perception of the Texas Arrogance comes from...

I give you the Texas A&M forums. Pick a thread and red it. Notice how everything turns into either blaming tu for the cost of living in china or hurting tu in some way shape or form...

http://texags.com/main/forum.topic.asp?forum_id=5&days=2

I give you the Sooners forums. I picked this thread but you will find the same aggy mentality across many threads. You will notice how we get blamed for the cost of gas to how we forced OU into unequal Revenue Sharing if you take your time and read through the thread..

http://www.landthieves.com/board/showthread.php?9319-***-Conference-Realignment-Thread-***/page100

Now I will give you our Sub Forums that deals with the expansion threads. Don't get me wrong, we poke fun at both our rivals but the tone isn't hoping for the destruction of either rivals schools. We are amused at A&M's move to the SEC like every other school in the nation... But we really don't care where the other schools go, we are concerned with where our school is going... Texas arrogance at it's finest!

http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/forumdisplay.php/35-SEC-did-offer-but-with-one-tiny-stipulation

Enjoy!:)

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

Cross Pitt and Syracuse of the list of possible expansion candidates. It is official now.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/09/18/acc.expansion.ap/index.html?sct=cf_t2_a3

 

[OhioState001]

Thats gonna be weird for basketball

 

[Napoleonbuck]

How is Texas responsible for the break up of the BIG 12? We sold our T-3 right just like 75% of all other Schools out there. tOSU sold theirs a couple of years ago for 110 million over a 10 year span...

http://www.cbssports.com/general/story/11569497

We didn't break a single bylaw in the BIG 12 or the NCAA. Not a single one...
The only thing different is that UT came up with a different way of doing it...

Florida sold theirs to the SUN network that shows Florida Sports 24/7.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Sports

Kansas built the Jayhawk network several years ago that makes bank on their Basket Ball games.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2011/sep/03/longhorn-network-will-show-ku-game/

There are tons of teams making a killing on their T-3 rights all over the country in several different ways. In most conferences this has always been allowed and teams have been making a killing off of them for years!

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/05/06/school-specific-broadcasting-revenue/

The only difference is that we brainstormed a 24/7 network for our T-3 rights... We did some legwork on it and didn't like what we saw so we asked Texas A&M to go in as partners but they didn't think it was viable. So we turned to an outside source and asked for a professional opinion from IMG. Three years later they pitched the idea to FOX and ESPN. Fox offered 3 million a year but ESPN said hold on a second my friend... How about 11 million a year and 4 million to IMG.

That puts us right up there around the top with other earners for their T-3 rights. What school in the country wouldn't jump on that deal? And exactly what is wrong with it? Outside of fan forums and media hoopla, what do you perceive that we did something wrong?

And now that I am here, I will be happy to field any questions about the Big Bad Bully Evil Bevo Empire and separate fact from media/fan driven fiction.

But before you base your hatred for a school and a conference you really know nothing about other than fan driven hatred, please read this article written a year ago in Omaha Nebraska about the reason Nebraska left the BIG 12. This article is based on an interview with The University of Nebraska-Lincoln chancellor Harvey Perlman.

http://www.omaha.com/article/20100830/BIGRED/708309872#the-big-ten-decision

Personally I am shocked this thing actually made it to press in Nebraska. After you read it, I hope it starts to open your mind to there being two sides to every coin and it would be kinda stupid for me to base my opinion of tOSU based your rivals forums if the situation was reversed.

Okay... Now if anyone is curious about UT or what has taken place inside the BIG 12/SWC (since we destroyed it too), I will try to separate fact from fiction with links. I know we are arrogant but what school isn't when dealing with their rivals? But if any of you follow any of the BIG 12 forums, you have an idea where the perception of the Texas Arrogance comes from...

I give you the Texas A&M forums. Pick a thread and red it. Notice how everything turns into either blaming tu for the cost of living in china or hurting tu in some way shape or form...

http://texags.com/main/forum.topic.asp?forum_id=5&days=2

I give you the Sooners forums. I picked this thread but you will find the same aggy mentality across many threads. You will notice how we get blamed for the cost of gas to how we forced OU into unequal Revenue Sharing if you take your time and read through the thread..

http://www.landthieves.com/board/showthread.php?9319-***-Conference-Realignment-Thread-***/page100

Now I will give you our Sub Forums that deals with the expansion threads. Don't get me wrong, we poke fun at both our rivals but the tone isn't hoping for the destruction of either rivals schools. We are amused at A&M's move to the SEC like every other school in the nation... But we really don't care where the other schools go, we are concerned with where our school is going... Texas arrogance at it's finest!

http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/forumdisplay.php/35-SEC-did-offer-but-with-one-tiny-stipulation

Enjoy!:)

What's your take on the unequal revenue sharing and its role in the Big 12 break up? Not to mention the Texas centered-ness of the conference.

Also don't portray the LHN as just Tier 3 rights. There was more to it than that, including recruiting implications with the high school games as well as favorable coverage and promotion from ESPN. It went far beyond tier 3 rights.

 

[ScriptOhio]

I don't really understand why the Big 10 is so interested in adding Texas or Notre Dame. Sure, they might bring in more money, but both schools have proven themselves to be pretty self-centered when it comes to supporting their conferences. Texas is largely responsible for the Big 12 losing members with their insistence on starting the Long Horn Network. Notre Dame just uses the Big East as a place to park their non-football sports. The Big 10 is one of the most stable and prestigious conferences there is. I'd be really selective on who you let in.

But that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

Re: Delany...Our view, really, is that it's about quality and not quantity."

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...-big-ten--20110905_1_delany-dan-beebe-big-ten

I think you just answered your own question. It's all about the money. In addition, both Texas and Notre Dame are QUALITY educational institutions.

 

[muffler dragon]

How is Texas responsible for the break up of the BIG 12?

Thanks for the info. Sincerely.

I have to ask why you came on to post this singular post? As a fan of Texas, what direction are you hoping your team takes?

 

[Gaffords]

What's your take on the unequal revenue sharing and its role in the Big 12 break up? Not to mention the Texas centered-ness of the conference.

Also don't portray the LHN as just Tier 3 rights. There was more to it than that, including recruiting implications with the high school games as well as favorable coverage and promotion from ESPN. It went far beyond tier 3 rights.

The Unequal Revenue sharing was put in place by Nebraska/Colorado/and Texas A&M. When the BIG 12 was formed, Texas and OU both sucked big time. It didn't benefit them but did we find a way to swing it to favor us by turning our program around? You bet ya! BUT it wasn't us who insisted on keeping it in place. The biggest voice in keeping it in place every time it came up left last year...

Beebe said that when it was a Big 12 member, Nebraska officials "were the most adamant" in opposition to changing the bylaw.

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=106137&SPID=13138&DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=205157134

After Nebraska left and the 'orphan 5' came up with the idea to give up their share of the Neb/Col exit fee if we stayed (both OU/UT turned it down so A&M took it). The Two Work Horses gave up even more money (instead of really sticking it to the little guys when we had them over a barrel).

Old Model: 57% equal 43% unequal but based on TV appearances and bowls.

New Model:
FOX contract for 1.17 Billion is divided Equally between all members.
ESPN/ABC 480 Million is divided 76% equal 23% unequal based on old model
Top getting 1.0
second .990
third .980 and so forth...
Bowl Money is divided equally between all schools
Any Extra TV money such as OOC road games is divided 50% equal to all and 50% going to the team.

Bottom line is there will probably be 1.5 million dividing the top earner from the bottom earner. Funnier yet is that it is our little schools fighting to keep this in place... the Big 12 has two work horses... The smallest schools were happy with the model... It kept the Big Teams from leaving and it was much better to make 17 Million at the Adult Table than 1.8 Million at the kid table...

Personally, if we save the BIG 12, I hope it goes equal for all (rumors have it that that is already part of the agreement if the 12 survive ... but who really knows) Don't get me wrong, Texas was no saint in getting theirs but we were not the only one with our hand in the cookie jar.

The LHN: Has not aired a single HS game... Texas forced the NCAA to define the guidelines BEFORE breaking any single rule plain and simple! It had to be done so it is not the smoking gun you try to make it...

Recruiting: We recruit 99% of our players in our own state. We don't have any issues recruiting... Now a few years of 5-7 and we might be in trouble no matter what we do to "gain advantage". You recruit as good as you play. A&M has always been behind UT/OU/OSU and usually TT in the BIG 12 standing so they recruit behind those shools... No advantage needed...

And yes it is Tier 3 rights... Just because it is outside the box does not make it wrong or a sin... It is different. I will say this about it, tOSU is one of the schools that could easily do the same. If you saw this thing you would love one for your school. It is sweet!

Thanks for the info. Sincerely.

I have to ask why you came on to post this singular post? As a fan of Texas, what direction are you hoping your team takes?

Easy:) I live in Michigan so I lurk the BIG 10 boards when ours get boring... I get a funny twinge in my pants every time I think of Texas in the B1G!

Plus it would be fun to watch the Meltdown in Lincoln if happens... I can't deny that!

 

[muffler dragon]

Easy:) I live in Michigan so I lurk the BIG 10 boards when ours get boring... I get a funny twinge in my pants every time I think of Texas in the B1G!

My apologies on living in that shithole up north.

As for Texas in the B1G, in my scant interactions with Longhorn fans, it appears that there are two polar opposite thoughts. They either love it or hate it. Would you agree?

Plus it would be fun to watch the Meltdown in Lincoln if happens... I can't deny that!

Could be a great intra-conference rivalry brewing.

 

[OSU_D/]

What we know:
Pitt and Syracuse for sure to the ACC

Latest Rumors:
1. UT, OU, OSU and TT to Pac 12 (16). Conference will be divided into pods of 4.
2. ACC targeting Rutgers and UConn

What does it mean if the rumors are true?
1. That Delany get f'd in the a and cleveland steamered at the same time.
2. ACC locks up the major media markets up and down the east coast.
3. ACC doesn't add ND. I doubt ND goes to SEC so they are probably Big 10 destined unless they stay independent.
4. Big 10 and SEC fight to the death over Missouri.
5. All that is left is mediocre adds: Missouri being the best. The rest?
KU, KSU, ISU, WVU and other terrible academic schools with [Mark May] for athletic programs. Between these 5 schools there is only one blue blood team in a revenue sport: KU basketball.
6. If you thought the B1G was getting kicked around by media before, just wait.

Hoping for the best and for Delaney come through. But right now I just don't see it happening.

 

[Muck]

ACC press release

GREENSBORO, N.C. (theACC.com) - The Atlantic Coast Conference Council of Presidents has unanimously voted to accept the University of Pittsburgh and Syracuse University as new members. The invitation followed the submission of letters of application from both universities.

"The ACC is a strong united conference that is only going to get better with the addition of the University of Pittsburgh and Syracuse University," said Duke University President Richard Brodhead, chair of the ACC Council of Presidents. "Both schools are committed to competing at the highest level of academics and athletics. We welcome them as full partners in the ACC."

"The ACC has enjoyed a rich tradition by balancing academics and athletics and the addition of Pitt and Syracuse further strengthens the ACC culture in this regard," said Atlantic Coast Conference Commissioner John Swofford. "Pittsburgh and Syracuse also serve to enhance the ACC's reach into the states of New York and Pennsylvania and geographically bridges our footprint between Maryland and Massachusetts. With the addition of Pitt and Syracuse, the ACC will cover virtually the entire Eastern Seaboard of the United States."

"This is an exciting day for the University of Pittsburgh. We have a long history of competing and collaborating with the distinguished universities that already are members of the Atlantic Coast Conference, and have enormous respect for both their academic strengths and their athletic accomplishments," said University of Pittsburgh Chancellor Mark A. Nordenberg. "In looking to our own future, we could not envision a better conference home for Pitt and are grateful to the Council of Presidents for extending an invitation to join the ACC community."

"We are very excited to be joining the ACC. This is a tremendous opportunity for Syracuse, and with its outstanding academic quality and athletic excellence, the ACC is a perfect fit for us," said Nancy Cantor, Chancellor and President of Syracuse University. "The ACC is home to excellent national research universities with very strong academic quality, and is a group that Syracuse will contribute to significantly and benefit from considerably. As a comprehensive, all-sports conference, the ACC provides Syracuse tremendous opportunities for quality competition and growth in all sports, while also renewing some of our historic rivalries. This move will also bolster our continued efforts to look outward, engage, and extend Syracuse's reach to key areas of the country, including the southeast, as we grow and expand our national connections to alumni, partners and the students of the future. We are pleased that Syracuse adds a New York City dimension to the ACC, a region in which we have built strong identity and affinity, and we look forward to bringing ACC games to the Big Apple. Overall, for Syracuse, this opportunity provides long-term conference stability in what is an uncertain, evolving, and rapidly shifting national landscape."

"This is a very significant day for all of our student-athletes, coaches and staff at the University of Pittsburgh," said Steve Pederson, University of Pittsburgh Director of Athletics. "The strength and quality of the ACC is highly regarded by everyone at Pitt. When we set high expectations for our student-athletes in their academic, athletic and personal goals, it is important to provide every opportunity and resource to enable that success. Joining the ACC and the outstanding institutions in this conference will give every Pitt student-athlete the chance to achieve their highest aspirations."

Daryl Gross, Syracuse University Director of Athletics said, "Today is a day that we will remember for years to come. We are truly excited that academically and athletically we will be a member of the ACC, one of the nation's premier collegiate athletic conferences. As New York's College Team, we plan to compete at the highest level across all of our sports and help to enhance this great conference."

BTW what is up with the pathological need for Longhorn fans to spam every board with the same C&P 'it's not our fault', 'you would do the same thing if you could' victim role?

 

[Saw31]

And so Conferenceageddon begins.

 

[Gaffords]

My apologies on living in that [Mark May]hole up north.

As for Texas in the B1G, in my scant interactions with Longhorn fans, it appears that there are two polar opposite thoughts. They either love it or hate it. Would you agree?



Could be a great intra-conference rivalry brewing.

I would say it is 70/30 PAC>B1G but when we the rumors coming from NW forums it was 50/50 within seconds

Now if something concrete came out we were headed to the B1G it would be 80/20 or 90/10 B1G > PAC... All us fans agree we want this to end!

 

[Gaffords]

ACC press release



BTW what is up with the pathological need for Longhorn fans to spam every board with the same C&P 'it's not our fault', 'you would do the same thing if you could' victim role?

At no time did I say it wasn't our fault! I was trying to point out what you proved just now. You have based your opinion of Texas on forum driven boredom/hatred without knowing facts...

I will be the first to say we are not a victim! I would be [censored]ed at our administration if I thought we allowed A&M/OU/Neb/ "bully" us around.

Yes we are arrogant! Just like any other fan base with a team at the top of the list.. No more and no less

 

[OSU_D/]

And so Conferenceageddon begins.

"Hello, is this the President of the University of Toronto? Yes? This is Jim Delany calling."

I would rather that conversation take place than KU, KSU, WVU, ISU, etc...

 

[Saw31]

"Hello, is this the President of the University of Toronto? Yes? This is Jim Delany calling."

I would rather that conversation take place than KU, KSU, WVU, ISU, etc...

Canada, eh? That'll force ND's hand to join the B1G. They want a national schedule, we could offer them an international schedule! :p