Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[twoodbuck97]

Big Ten needs to put the full court press back on Notre Dame. That team is the only midwest team worthy of inclusion into the Big Ten regardless of how the nation feels about this region of football.

 

[bukIpower]

Texas was ahead in one of the polls... but you're right I was just thinking of the wrong poll. Still you can see my point where i'm goin with it.. haha

 

[Best Buckeye]

Big Ten needs to put the full court press back on Notre Dame. That team is the only midwest team worthy of inclusion into the Big Ten regardless of how the nation feels about this region of football.

We don't need Notre Dame in the conference, we don't need to beg them and if they don't want to get in the B10 there are other teams we can get.

That's if we even need another team and become the "big Dozen" conference.

 

[Nutriaitch]

I suppose there are lots of options that come to mind. I see two principles.

1. The Game must be the last regular season game for both contestants, so both conceivably have to be in the same division of a divided Big Ten.

depends on scheduling method.
in the SEC, each team has 1 "locked" opponent from the opposite division:
LSU - Florida
Auburn - UGA
Bama - Tennessee
Ole Piss - Vandy
Moo U - Kentucky
Arky - So Carolina

then play 2 games against the other division on a hom and home rotating basis.

not a perfect set-up, but I prefer it to the Big XII (OU/Nebraska ain't an every year event any more).
We keep our traditional rivalries (Auburn/UGA, Bama/Tenn) alive every year, plus every year, someone "new" shows up on the schedule (last year we dropped Kentucky, added UGA ; this coming season we drop So Carolina and add Vandy).

 

[Mike80]

Always amazed me that when playoff discussions came up, university presidents pooh poohed it because it took away too much class time from the student athlete. Apparently that 12th game and championship payday don't affect class time.

All leagues should do away with championship games, and the Big Ten should send Penn State to the Big East and play a true round robing like the Pac-10 does. Shouldn't have any problem getting that proposal to gain a head of steam.

The first one is a money grab.

The second one won't happen at least until Paterno dies/retires which makes the last statement laughable.

 

[Mike80]

As long as Dr. Gordon Gee is around, I wouldn't hold my breath on Big Ten expansion. He likes things just as they are, and he has as much "pull" as anyone regarding this topic. Here's to another 10 years of regular season OSU football ending in November, and praying to god we're prepared to play in January!

People seem to forget that although they lost to Texas, they likely gave the 3rd best team (and in some opinions the 2nd best team) in the nation all they could handle.

They WERE prepared.

 

[BuckeyeSoldier]

If texas came to the big10 and said they wanted in... I'd say they should sit down and find a way to make it work. No other team that has been mentioned is worthy enough to not only get in but to get in with the mess it would create.
The Game is forever changed, I dont see how you can call yourself a Buckeye and not have that lone fact give you pause about continueing down this line of thinking.

Increases the odds that our top team takes a tumble.

Our top team has a shot at the title EVERY year, there is no need to throw in an extra stumbling block against our second best team at the end of the season just for a few extra dollars, keep in mind this may even end up COSTING us money.

how frequently do we put 2 teams into the BCS? If our second best team is GUARANTEED to lose its last game of the year what are the odds we start only putting in one team more often than not?

 

[Nutriaitch]

how frequently do we put 2 teams into the BCS? If our second best team is GUARANTEED to lose its last game of the year what are the odds we start only putting in one team more often than not?

2nd best team won't always be the loser of the title game.
some years the 2nd best team may be in the same division as best team.

 

[BuckeyeSoldier]

2nd best team won't always be the loser of the title game.
some years the 2nd best team may be in the same division as best team.

noted, that however doesnt flow with my small rant, so it shall be ignored like it was when i typed it out the first time

 

[jwinslow]

Yeah you're right, and it'd be risky. However, again I feel we'd control our own destiny more so with one more game. Look at Oklahoma from this year as a good reason how it can be a good thing though. They LOSE to a conference team, but yet still get to the Big 12 championship game. They win impressively and bamb they jump over Texas in the poll's and into the BCS Championship game. IMO, people like last impressions and ESPECIALLY in college football.

This didn't happen. Their higher BCS ranking was the 3-way B12 south tiebreaker which earned them the CCG bid over Texas.

They earned their #2 ranking - and shot in the CCG & ensuing NC matchup - by thrashing Texas Tech & Oklahoma State in the regular season. The CCG was another in a long line of beatdowns for the b12 north.

Texas, a team that participates in the overhyped CCG system, was left out in the cold by a lack of media hype in November.

As far as more negative's than positives? The only way i'd consider it a bad thing is if we're #1 and undefeated because we'd having nothing to prove. However, considering most years we're gonna have 1-2 loses this gives us the shot to make up for a previous loss. I'd rather play another game to help advance us, rather than sit back and be done because we're afraid to lose. Because we're OSU and more than likely in a hypethical big-10 championship game we're gonna win 80% the time.

If the big ten is disrespected, it won't matter if we win another big ten game. Even if OSU does win another game, so does the b12 champ & sec champ, two conferences respected more right now.

But the rankings continue to show that the big ten is not handicapped nearly as much as people worry or demand that they will be.

 

[DaveyBoy]

Our top team has a shot at the title EVERY year, there is no need to throw in an extra stumbling block against our second best team at the end of the season just for a few extra dollars, keep in mind this may even end up COSTING us money.

how frequently do we put 2 teams into the BCS? If our second best team is GUARANTEED to lose its last game of the year what are the odds we start only putting in one team more often than not?

I'd say the odds of a BigTen representing in the NC game are fading quickly due to the horrible big game performance by OHio State the past 3 seasons. We made it in last season (2007) because the stars aligned for us. I'm willing to bet that until we can show ability to beat a Top 10 OOC team and look consistently good vs a mediocre Big Ten, we are a threat to get the Auburn 2004 treatment.

If we can beat USC in September that, of course, will give us a bit of a trump card come December when the NC race sorts itself out. That is assuming we run the table in the B10 if we could beat USC.

 

[Best Buckeye]

I'd say the odds of a BigTen representing in the NC game are fading quickly due to the horrible big game performance by OHio State the past 3 seasons. We made it in last season (2007) because the stars aligned for us. I'm willing to bet that until we can show ability to beat a Top 10 OOC team and look consistently good vs a mediocre Big Ten, we are a threat to get the Auburn 2004 treatment.

If we can beat USC in September that, of course, will give us a bit of a trump card come December when the NC race sorts itself out. That is assuming we run the table in the B10 if we could beat USC.

I call bullsheet, we win out the NC chances will take care of itself just like always.

 

[Taosman]

The whole Big Ten and State Penn thing was JoPa's idea. Many in the State Penn camp would love to go back to being in the east either as an independent or maybe in the Big East. If JoPa should suddenly go what would happen? We could see a dramatic shift in PSU thinking. I'm not convinced that State Penn in the Big Ten is a permanent thing.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_307414.htmlhttp://www.fanblogs.com/penn_state/005925.php

 

[muffler dragon]

The whole Big Ten and State Penn thing was JoPa's idea. Many in the State Penn camp would love to go back to being in the east either as an independent or maybe in the Big East. If JoPa should suddenly go what would happen? We could see a dramatic shift in PSU thinking. I'm not convinced that State Penn in the Big Ten is a permanent thing.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_307414.htmlhttp://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_307414.htmlhttp://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_307414.html

IF (big IF) Penn State happens to leave the Big Ten, then that (to me) screams "spoiled child". PSU thought they were going to come into the Big Ten and clean house year in and year out. That idealistic vision got dashed quickly. Now that they're on the verge of being an also-ran, they would need to get back to prominence by whooping on lower tier athletic programs.

To hell with PSU whether they stay or go.

 

[BUCKYLE]

The whole Big Ten and State Penn thing was JoPa's idea. Many in the State Penn camp would love to go back to being in the east either as an independent or maybe in the Big East. If JoPa should suddenly go what would happen? We could see a dramatic shift in PSU thinking. I'm not convinced that State Penn in the Big Ten is a permanent thing.

Big East considered adding Penn State, Notre Dame - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

What the fuck does a blog from after the TSUN loss in '95 have to do with anything?

PSU isn't going anywhere. It would be a disaster for them. You don't leave the big ten for the big east...you just don't.