Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[Muck]

Really? Where in there did I imply anything about jealousy or anyone being afraid. I said skeptical about their stability and validity. Very different from afraid and jealous. Read what I write, not what you think I wrote. Who wouldn't be a little skeptical that a university that quite literally came out of nowhere could sustain the kind of growth and program that they have and are creating so suddenly? Would you go out and risk bringing in a school that just 10 years ago was quite literally nothing in sports and not exactly a giant in terms of research, student body, etc. that turned into a very respected academic institutions with sports teams that are knocking on the door of respect in DI? I'm not sure I would, and not because I would be scared or jealous.

But nevermind, you obviously know what I meant to write, and UCF is little more than a commuter campus with a basketball team that hasn't won a game this season, hasn't been to a bowl...I don't know why you're so quick to try and twist my post, but I'm looking forward to how you twist this.

I obviously misread where you were coming from (framing it around the mindset I've seen from the UCF faithful). Apparently I've become a bit blinded by the "We're too big for CUSA silliness" coming from the faithful after an extremely short period of success. It's the same cry I've heard from so many programs in the past (I'm looking at you Marshall & most recently UC). Clearly I was viewing your post through filters. Sorry about that.

FWIW I've actually argued that inviting UCF would be a good move by the Big East. Specifically because of the location & the large student body (one of the reasons the Big Ten has such a national draw is because of the massive numbers of alums living all over the country). I just don't believe that there are guarantees that UCF is going to climb to the next level athletically (or even maintain the current one). Competing against UF and resurgent FSU & Miami programs as well as big name programs from all around the country (like Ohio State) that poach top players in Florida is a tough row to hoe. But then again I don't think UCF NEEDS to be a top tier program athletically to be of value to the Big East...the foothold in a talent rich area & scads of future alums alone are worth the price of entry.

Would love to see that happen. We'd poach a decent SEC team, and we may get a Mark Richt-Jim Tressel sweatervest bowl.

Then the SEC can complete its oversigning thug ways, and get Oklahoma.

Heck, while we're at it, get Ga. Tech too so they can keep their rivalry in-conference, and we make the southeast more viable for recruiting.

Jawja + Tech = 14 teams & TEN States. Meeting that magical (and completely meaningless) bit of balance that I'm a fan of.

It ain't gonna happen but I wouldn't mind that addition one bit.

 

[OSU_D/]

I do think Syracuse or Boston College could end up being great fits. That being said, I'm a hundred percent in agreement with you regarding the pro-centric mentality of the NE markets--NYC in particular. Other than the domers, there really is no school that doesn't have some glaring issues. My negative reaction to the Nebraska pick wasn't because I thought there were perfect alternatives out there. It was pointing out that Nebraska outside of football was a far from perfect fit, and the Children of the Corn getting all butthurt about it.

Ha. Well, I must admit I completely missed your Nebraska thoughts, though they do pretty well in the Directors' Cup. I was actually referencing your post from another thread...

Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse and one from Maryland, Rutgers or Missouri.

Texas is still the perfect fit in a perfect world. They just bring way too much entitlement and baggage with them.

No desire whatsoever to see the Big Ten expand into the South.

Personally, because the markets of NYC and Boston are so fractured and are pro-centric I don't have a lot of love for BC, Syracuse, UConn, Rutgers for the Big 10. And I have never had much love for Missouri.
( http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/...her-conference-expansion-203.html#post1713471 )

For population, competitiveness, recruiting, and academic reasons I want to head south and east.

 

[DallasHusker]

My negative reaction to the Nebraska pick wasn't because I thought there were perfect alternatives out there. It was pointing out that Nebraska outside of football was a far from perfect fit, and the Children of the Corn getting all butthurt about it.

Yeah, we all know about your aversion to Nebraska's membership from the previous 2,728 times you said it here. Those pronouncements from you are certainly more prevalent by an order of magnitude or two, than "Children of the Corn getting all butthurt about it."

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

My negative reaction to the Nebraska pick wasn't because I thought there were perfect alternatives out there. It was pointing out that Nebraska outside of football was a far from perfect fit, and the Children of the Corn getting all butthurt about it.

Yeah, we all know about your aversion to Nebraska's membership from the previous 2,728 times you said it here. Those pronouncements from you are certainly more prevalent by an order of magnitude or two, than "Children of the Corn getting all butthurt about it."

Seriously, what is it about you guys? I've never seen another fanbase out there that is just absolutely chomping at the bit to get all butthurt because somebody out there might dare to not think of Nebraska as the epitome of all that's good and noble in the world of college football. Boise would be the only other one in the corntards' league, but they're small and pretty much stick to that little circle jerk they have going on scout.

FWIW, I had lunch with my old advisor at the University of Chicago last week, and she said that U of C faculty are none too thrilled to be welcoming Nebraska into the CIC. Perhaps the Children of the Corn can start flooding her e-mail box in righteous, butthurt indignation.

 

[Muck]

Seriously, what is it about you guys? I've never seen another fanbase out there that is just absolutely chomping at the bit to get all butthurt because somebody out there might dare to not think of Nebraska as the epitome of all that's good and noble in the world of college football. Boise would be the only other one in the corntards' league, but they're small and pretty much stick to that little circle jerk they have going on scout.

Really?! After almost two decades of Penn State fans?

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Really?! After almost two decades of Penn State fans?

Naahhh, I give the edge to the corntards. Granted, that PSU Rivals board is a true piece of work....possibly the worst in all the interwebs. That being said, the corntards will descend on a board in numbers at the slightest lack of respect. That gives them the edge, IMO.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Anyways, the reason that I opened up this thread.

It's being reported that the MWC is inviting Utah State and San Jose State in order to make it to 12: two absolutely worthless football programs. There better be no spinning it by ESPN and the mid-major apologists that the new MWC isn't nothing more than the WAC redux and about as deserving of an aq bid as the MAC.

 

[Muck]

It's being reported that the MWC is inviting Utah State and San Jose State in order to make it to 12: two absolutely worthless football programs.

I just wandered over to the BSU board you mentioned...the exact same people complaining about Utah St. & SJSU being offered membership because they are weak programs are the same ones bitching about President Gee's "sisters of the poor" comment.

Hey dipshits, that was his whole freakin' point all along.

 

[Diego-Bucks]

Anyways, the reason that I opened up this thread.

It's being reported that the MWC is inviting Utah State and San Jose State in order to make it to 12: two absolutely worthless football programs. There better be no spinning it by ESPN and the mid-major apologists that the new MWC isn't nothing more than the WAC redux and about as deserving of an aq bid as the MAC.

Valuable markets compared with what is left, in order to get to 12 for a CCG. Makes sense geographically. I think the MWC would rather get programs who fit monetarily/market and geographic-wise and hope the conference can aid in the football build up from there. And there are few viable schools with good football programs for the MWC at the moment.

Utah State is a large school, has a lot of money, and is a big player in Northern Utah, a growing market. If they improve on the field its an added bonus. Also: great basketball town and competitive in other sports.

San Jose State... well I'm not super thrilled. But they are in the NorCal market which is millions of people. Also have a "rivalry" with San Diego State... but I'm more concerned with Fresno State myself.

You can call it the WAC and I couldn't disagree anymore. Though it no longer makes sense because of the loss of TCU, but I was hoping for a Houston bid to pair off with two Texas-based schools. Would love for a Montana-Montana State offer (those two kind of have to go together) but its hard to justify having two Montana Div-1 FBS schools.

However, I do see a nice set of schools with good balance in markets, geography and most of these schools are growing rapidly in research and academics. Most of these schools are not of the "have-nots" in national terms of university rankings; they are neither the "haves".

Boise State, Nevada, Air Force, Fresno State, San Diego State, Hawaii are a solid core of football programs to build up competitively into the near future.

MWC football is the only major college football played in the markets of San Diego (8th largest city in USA), Las Vegas (and all of Nevada; 28th largest city in USA), San Jose (10th largest city in USA), Boise (98th largest city in USA), Honolulu (and all of Hawaii; 50th largest city in the USA), Fresno (35th largest city in USA), and the entire state of Wyoming.

Argue all you want about the viability of the market or the achieved vs. theoretical value, but amongst the Rocky Mountain West (which this conference is primarily marketed towards) and across the country, that is some pretty decent market penetration (if they are indeed able to deliver portions of the market).

There are scantily few "big cities/markets" in the Mountain West. But as of now, the MWC has many of them. I personally think that if the conference achieves "stability" for the next decade, most of these schools seem on the rise; perhaps not in a football-only sense but in a university sense.

 

[Diego-Bucks]

I've read around the ol' interwebs that Utah State to the MWC seems like a near-lock at this point. However, much conflict on the viability of the San Jose State offer (might be more from the SJSU side of the aisle than the MWC).

I only hope that the MWC is holding out hope for Houston, Montana or Montana State to be amenable to an invitation offer. Amongst cities, I'd much rather go to Missoula, Montana (oh the fly fishing...) than San Jose, California.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I just wandered over to the BSU board you mentioned...the exact same people complaining about Utah St. & SJSU being offered membership because they are weak programs are the same ones bitching about President Gee's "sisters of the poor" comment.

Hey dip[Mark May]s, that was his whole freakin' point all along.

They take full retard to 11 over there. In the aftermath of Gee's comments, one of them wrote him a smug email full of academic smack....using Michigan as a comparison. He couldn't even use his own school. Needless to say all the other mongoloids chimed in to tell hom how clever he was.

 

[DallasHusker]

Seriously, what is it about you guys? I've never seen another fanbase out there that is just absolutely chomping at the bit to get all butthurt because somebody out there might dare to not think of Nebraska as the epitome of all that's good and noble in the world of college football. Boise would be the only other one in the corntards' league, but they're small and pretty much stick to that little circle jerk they have going on scout.

FWIW, I had lunch with my old advisor at the University of Chicago last week, and she said that U of C faculty are none too thrilled to be welcoming Nebraska into the CIC. Perhaps the Children of the Corn can start flooding her e-mail box in righteous, butthurt indignation.

Seriously, what is it with you? Am I proud of the Nebraska football program and its accomplishments? Absolutely. Have I (or anyone else here) claimed that its "the epitome of all that's good and noble in the world of college football"?? Well, there are only a very small handful of us who are here,and I haven't read any such posts, but look to you to please point them out to me if you're right and I'm wrong. Seriously, YOU seem to be the "butthurt" one here. Nebraska was invited to join the Big Ten. We're proud to be joining, as we feel its a great home with a great group of member institutions. You don't like it. We know it - you've posted ad nauseum about it. Get over yourself, if I may say so!

 

[kn1f3party]

FWIW, I had lunch with my old advisor at the University of Chicago last week, and she said that U of C faculty are none too thrilled to be welcoming Nebraska into the CIC. Perhaps the Children of the Corn can start flooding her e-mail box in righteous, butthurt indignation.

C'mon man. That is the kind of self-righteous elitism I'm sure these Cornhuskers were happy to leave behind in the Big XII. You make it sound as if this advisor pictures Nebraskans as toothless trailer-trash that are going to institutionally hold the CIC back from achieving world class research. Didn't think xenophobia could happen at the State level, particularly with the [sarcasm]educated[/sarcasm] . Nebraska is a good school and is competitive. They're a good fit. I haven't had a bad experience with their fans yet and they have the kind of tradition you'd expect a Big Ten team to have. I'm sure the partnership will be as successful as that with Penn State. They're a research extensive university, as defined by the Carnegie Foundation. I'm trying to find reasons they aren't a good fit or a good choice and I'm coming up with zero. What else do they have to do to be good enough since they're not Texas? You get in the sack with Texas, you don't marry the crazy bitch.

 

[Jaxbuck]

There better be no spinning it by ESPN and the mid-major apologists that the new MWC isn't nothing more than the WAC redux and about as deserving of an aq bid as the MAC.

As Will Munny said, "deserve's got nothin' to do with it."

If they think it will draw eyeballs/drive clicks you can bet your ass there will be spin.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

C'mon man. That is the kind of self-righteous elitism I'm sure these Cornhuskers were happy to leave behind in the Big XII. You make it sound as if this advisor pictures Nebraskans as toothless trailer-trash that are going to institutionally hold the CIC back from achieving world class research. Didn't think xenophobia could happen at the State level, particularly with the [sarcasm]educated[/sarcasm] . Nebraska is a good school and is competitive. They're a good fit. I haven't had a bad experience with their fans yet and they have the kind of tradition you'd expect a Big Ten team to have. I'm sure the partnership will be as successful as that with Penn State. They're a research extensive university, as defined by the Carnegie Foundation. I'm trying to find reasons they aren't a good fit or a good choice and I'm coming up with zero. What else do they have to do to be good enough since they're not Texas? You get in the sack with Texas, you don't marry the crazy bitch.

Actually, she taught at Texas before being hired away to Hyde Park. That being said, her feelings weren't that they were horrible or an embarrassment...just that there was hope for the talked about home run: Texas, Notre Dame, or even Syracuse/Pitt would have come much closer to expectations. It was about five minutes of conversation over lunch. Take it for what it's worth. It's U of C, and they would have rolled their eyes at anyone short of Cal or UVA.