Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[kinch]

If you choose to Include Nebraska there are seven Big Ten teams in the top 25 this week.

If they also included my package there would be eight.

 

[CHU]

Someone told me that geographic center of the Big Ten (including Lincoln, Nebraska) was in Gary, IN.

That would mean the closest major city was Chicago for the Big Ten Championship Game and/or Big Ten Basketball Tournament.

 

[OSU_D/]

Someone told me that geographic center of the Big Ten (including Lincoln, Nebraska) was in Gary, IN.

That would mean the closest major city was Chicago for the Big Ten Championship Game and/or Big Ten Basketball Tournament.

I wouldn't care if the geographic center of the Big 10 was squarely at 1410 S. Museum Campus Drive, Chicago, IL 60605.

The Rose Bowl and BCSNCG are played in good weather environments. As a conference we need to do what is best to help determine our representatives to these games. These games influence many things including recruiting and future revenues. The Big 10 championship for football needs to be in Indy (or Ford Field or the potential new Vikings stadium as distant choices).

I can see all the glory that is a snowy day in December in which a one dimensional running team wins in dismal weather only. Then said team gets destroyed by a defense that can shut down a one dimensional team. If the BCSNCG is played in a snowy climate, sure, go to Chicago.

 

[jwinslow]

The Rose Bowl and BCSNCG are played in good weather environments. As a conference we need to do what is best to help determine our representatives to these games. These games influence many things including recruiting and future revenues. The Big 10 championship for football needs to be in Indy (or Ford Field or the potential new Vikings stadium as distant choices).

I can see all the glory that is a snowy day in December in which a one dimensional running team wins in dismal weather only. Then said team gets destroyed by a defense that can shut down a one dimensional team. If the BCSNCG is played in a snowy climate, sure, go to Chicago.

Why is it that when a super bowl or B10CCG location is snowy, everyone is up in arms, but when Peyton is dominated annually in cold Foxboro, it shows who the tougher team was?

I go to Canton every year for a ton of great (Ohio) state championships. The atmosphere and competition is great, yet no one grumbles that the game should be played in a dome. The cold, wind and weather are part of the game, especially in the midwest.

Miami is considered a perfect choice for the super bowl, yet they have game hampering rain all of the time.

 

[OSU_D/]

Why is it that when a super bowl or B10CCG location is snowy, everyone is up in arms, but when Peyton is dominated annually in cold Foxboro, it shows who the tougher team was?

I go to Canton every year for a ton of great (Ohio) state championships. The atmosphere and competition is great, yet no one grumbles that the game should be played in a dome. The cold, wind and weather are part of the game, especially in the midwest.

Miami is considered a perfect choice for the super bowl, yet they have game hampering rain all of the time.

1. The day they put a BSCNCG in Boston then I will be all about doing the Big 10 Championship game in Chicago. You answered your own question. People get comfortable in certain environments. If you want to help the Big 10 win the BCSNCG or Rose Bowl then you put the championship game in an environment which is most similar. The southern and southwestern teams play in this environment already. Lets take this opportunity and allow the Big 10 to play a game in a fair weather environment.

2. Also, where else is Ohio hs going to play? The difference here is you have cold weather teams going south or southwest to play in dramatically different weather - and these cold weather teams are playing warm weather teams. In addition, Miami rain is different than the November/December winter sleet and rain you see in the midwest. Thats not even a true comparison. You say weather is part of the midwest game; you're right, it is. But in general it is NOT a part of the Rose Bowl or the BSCNCG. Since the advent of the BSCNCG I can think of 1 or 2 games between the BSCNCG or Rose Bowl that have had to deal with rain as an issue.

Given what the next step is for the champion of the Big 10 (potentially the BCSNCG), where that game is played and the fact that the opponent is likely to have played late season games in better weather (read: they are more used to the conditions that will prevail at the bowl games) any decision to play this game outdoors does not help.

I don't care if midwest football has an element of weather which other conferences don't always have to take into account. I don't care that the Big 10 plays in this type of weather in November/December. I care about putting Ohio State in the best possible position to win.

 

[jlb1705]

1. The day they put a BSCNCG in Boston then I will be all about doing the Big 10 Championship game in Chicago. You answered your own question. People get comfortable in certain environments. If you want to help the Big 10 win the BCSNCG or Rose Bowl then you put the championship game in an environment which is most similar. The southern and southwestern teams play in this environment already. Lets take this opportunity and allow the Big 10 to play a game in a fair weather environment.

2. Also, where else is Ohio hs going to play? The difference here is you have cold weather teams going south or southwest to play in dramatically different weather - and these cold weather teams are playing warm weather teams. In addition, Miami rain is different than the November/December winter sleet and rain you see in the midwest. Thats not even a true comparison. You say weather is part of the midwest game; you're right, it is. But in general it is NOT a part of the Rose Bowl or the BSCNCG. Since the advent of the BSCNCG I can think of 1 or 2 games between the BSCNCG or Rose Bowl that have had to deal with rain as an issue.

Given what the next step is for the champion of the Big 10 (potentially the BCSNCG), where that game is played and the fact that the opponent is likely to have played late season games in better weather (read: they are more used to the conditions that will prevail at the bowl games) any decision to play this game outdoors does not help.

I don't care if midwest football has an element of weather which other conferences don't always have to take into account. I don't care that the Big 10 plays in this type of weather in November/December. I care about putting Ohio State in the best possible position to win.

Big Ten record in Rose Bowl Games by team since 1990:

Ohio State: 2-0
Wisconsin: 3-0
Penn State: 1-1
Northwestern: 0-1
Purdue: 0-1
Illinois: 0-1
Iowa: 0-1
Michigan: 2-5
​

Big Ten record in BCS Games by team since 1998:

Ohio State: 5-3
Wisconsin: 2-0
Penn State: 1-1
Illinois:0-2
Iowa: 1-1
Purdue: 0-1
Michigan: 1-3
​

Minnesota record in bowl games since 1982: 4-6

Ohio State has done well for themselves in major bowl games in spite of playing their last game of the regular season in cold weather. The problem for the Big Ten overall has nothing to do with whether or not their conference champion played their last game indoors, and everything to do with sending shitty and/or undeserving teams to play in those bowl games. How many of those losses above were the result of a traditionally bad team winning a tiebreaker, avoiding a top team or two that year, or M*ch*g*n suckitude?

Wisconsin is especially notable. They personify the negative Big Ten, cold weather stereotype, and are 3-0 in recent Rose Bowls.

Meanwhile, Minnesota ended half of their seasons for nearly three decades playing indoors, yet had a losing record in the warm-weather bowl games they managed to stumble into.

 

[kn1f3party]

Big Ten record in Rose Bowl Games by team since 1990:

Ohio State: 2-0
Wisconsin: 3-0
Penn State: 1-1
Northwestern: 0-1
Purdue: 0-1
Illinois: 0-1
Iowa: 0-1
Michigan: 2-5
​

Big Ten record in BCS Games by team since 1998:

Ohio State: 5-3
Wisconsin: 2-0
Penn State: 1-1
Illinois:0-2
Iowa: 1-1
Purdue: 0-1
Michigan: 1-3
​

Minnesota record in bowl games since 1982: 4-6

Ohio State has done well for themselves in major bowl games in spite of playing their last game of the regular season in cold weather. The problem for the Big Ten overall has nothing to do with whether or not their conference champion played their last game indoors, and everything to do with sending [censored]ty and/or undeserving teams to play in those bowl games. How many of those losses above were the result of a traditionally bad team winning a tiebreaker, avoiding a top team or two that year, or M*ch*g*n suckitude?

Wisconsin is especially notable. They personify the negative Big Ten, cold weather stereotype, and are 3-0 in recent Rose Bowls.

Meanwhile, Minnesota ended half of their seasons for nearly three decades playing indoors, yet had a losing record in the warm-weather bowl games they managed to stumble into.

This. Most of our players grew up playing in this weather. The weather ain't no thing, so don't make it a thing.

 

[DallasHusker]

Big XII agrees to $9.25 million exit fee vs. the demanded $20 million plus

Well, it had been pretty widely reported that Big XII commissioner Dan Beebe had shot himself in the foot with regards to holding Nebraska to the greater than $20 million exit fee the conference was demanding. Nebraska had pointed out that the Big XII charter doesn't call for exit penalties, but rather for exit compensation for reduced revenue caused by a school leaving. Beebe spent way too much time shooting his mouth off about the increased revenue he was/had negotiated for TV rights for the remaining conference members, making it awfully hard to take a hardline stance about the exit compensation for reduced revenue.

Under the terms of a settlement announced today by the Big 12 and UNL, the conference will withhold $9.255 million from the estimated $19 million in revenues otherwise owed the university for its last two years of its participation in the Big 12.

Should Nebraska's football team be one of two Big 12 teams to play in a BCS bowl game this season, the fee would be reduced by $500,000 to $8.755 million.

http://www.omaha.com/article/20100921/NEWS01/100929928

EDIT: By the way, the Big Ten had promised to "make Nebraska whole" for early exit fees, so I think this actually is revenue-neutral for Nebraska and puts over $10 million back in the pocket for the Big Ten, so everyone in the conference benefits.

(Thanks for moving this - I guess. I just thought it was big enough news within the Big Ten to warrant a thread for those who may have quit reading about conference expansion.)

 

[BB73]

Looks like that agreement also had an impact on Colorado's timetable.

CBS

Regents authorize Colorado's Pac-10 move for 2011

BOULDER, Colo. -- University of Colorado regents have authorized the school's chancellor to move forward with plans for the school to join the Pac 10 on July 1.

An agreement with the Big 12, the school's current conference, would allow it to withhold $6.86 million in revenues that it would be entitled to receive before then and to join the Pac 10 a year early.

The regents made the decision during a Tuesday meeting.

 

[DallasHusker]

Darn, I guess Colorado didn't get the additional clause for further reduction if they're one of two BCS bowl representatives for the conference this year.

 

[CincyInterloper]

Why is it that when a super bowl or B10CCG location is snowy, everyone is up in arms, but when Peyton is dominated annually in cold Foxboro, it shows who the tougher team was?

I go to Canton every year for a ton of great (Ohio) state championships. The atmosphere and competition is great, yet no one grumbles that the game should be played in a dome. The cold, wind and weather are part of the game, especially in the midwest.

Miami is considered a perfect choice for the super bowl, yet they have game hampering rain all of the time.

I think bowl locations have as much to do with tourism as anything else.

 

[BUCKYLE]

I think bowl locations have as much to do with tourism as anything else.

No shit, Sherlock.

 

[MaliBuckeye]

I think bowl locations have as much to do with tourism as anything else.

Interesting theory, that...

 

[lord vegas]

Big 12 (-2) mentions expansion

Little blurb in #3

Nothing we didn't already know. The B10 isn't discussing expansion until they iron out a few details in regards to Nebraska. Although after reading reports on secret meeting locations Delaney probably had his fingers crossed behind his back.

 

[BB73]

5 current non-FBS teams are hoping to get into the WAC: Texas State, UT-San Antonio, Seattle, Montana, and Denver.

Link

That might not get your pulse running, but at least Texas State has a history of hot kickers.

And the Big East is hoping to get TCU.

CBS