Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[TheIronColonel]

Not sure how Texas doesn't see the truth here: The Big Ten makes the most sense academically and financially.

 

[bassbuckeye07]

Texas is worth any amount of "trouble." Any amount.

It's not worth taking unworthy schools as members to "go along for the ride," but trouble? Texas is definitely worth it. Certainly worth E. Gordon Gee making a trip to Austin to speak to the legislature, for example.

Im all for that, but what is he going to do? Prove that Tech and Baylor should be left as scraps? I just dont see it. This question is not rhetorical I really would like to know from those who know better than I. (what would he tell them???)

 

[Mike80]

Texas is worth any amount of "trouble." Any amount.

It's not worth taking unworthy schools as members to "go along for the ride," but trouble? Texas is definitely worth it. Certainly worth E. Gordon Gee making a trip to Austin to speak to the legislature, for example.

And the Texas Legislature will either ignore him or continue to do whatever the hell they want or any combination of the two.

Texas is a pipe dream at this point. And Delaney is a fool.

 

[ScriptOhio]

Hey, what about Kansas?

Four scenarios for the Big 12?s future​

Keep in mind, the possibilities assume some potential moves and not others. We move Missouri and Nebraska together, but the Big Ten expansion could include one or neither. In one scenario, we move the six Big 12 schools to the Pacific-10 as suggested by the report earlier this week, but not fewer than six. Who knows? Only the conference commissioners and their consultants have a handle on the future of college sports. Give each of these four Big 12 scenarios an equal chance of occurring, and from somebody who covered the league?s exploratory meetings through all of its major championships, my hope is for the first. ​

1. Status quo​

The Big 12 remaining together with its original members seems to be a decision others will make for the conference.

2. The ten-spot​

Missouri and Nebraska accept invitations to the Big Ten. Texas says no to the Pac-10, and others follow by remaining in the Big 12. This makes sense to the Longhorns, who revel in their powerful position in the Big 12.
The Big 12 decides to maintain its name ? hey, the Big Ten has with 11 members and presumably will no matter how many it adds ? and make some changes.

3. The replacements
Here?s where it gets interesting.
Again, Missouri and Nebraska move to the Big Ten, the Big 12 remains and decides to replenish.

At first blush, the West looks tempting. Utah and Brigham Young of the Mountain West are among the next best things not in a BCS automatic qualifier conference (yet).​

4. Armageddon​

The Pac-10 grabs half of the Big 12 and the Big Ten gets two, leaving Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and Baylor to fend for themselves.
The Jayhawks wonder how they got kicked to the curb with an athletic budget in the Big 12?s top half, its basketball richness and standing in the Kansas City market.
Of the group, Kansas has the best shot at landing in a BCS league. Is the Big East far-fetched? Could it be Lew Perkins? major accomplishment before stepping down? He knows the territory.

Also, could Kansas and Kansas State wind up in different conferences? The statements from both schools express solidarity, but it?s difficult to imagine either turning down a major conference offer if it isn?t extended to both.​

Entire article: Four scenarios for the Big 12’s future - KansasCity.com​

Another interesting Kansas City paper article: Big 12 problems trace to league’s roots - KansasCity.com​

 

[ScriptOhio]

CU should join Mountain West, not Pac-10

The day University of Colorado athletic director Mike Bohn allows a bunch of loud-mouthed, money-grubbing Texans to dictate how the Buffaloes run their business is also the day he should be fired.
Let me get this straight: During stressful economic times when Colorado families endure a 9 percent tuition hike to enroll their kids on the Boulder campus, Bohn really wants a ticket on a jet plane to fly off and play football in a conference spread from Seattle to Los Angeles to Lubbock, Texas?
That would pretty near be the dumbest move Bohn has made since allowing Dan Hawkins to name his son as starting quarterback of the Buffaloes.
At a juncture when college sports threaten to spin out of control, Colorado needs to get a grip.
The Buffaloes have no business in the Pac-10 Conference, especially if the league expands to 16 teams, and the nearest rival to CU would be located nearly 600 miles down the road from Folsom Field.
There's a whole lot of pimping in college sports these days, as conferences flirt with realignment. The same educators who decry the evils of a football playoff now peddle their student-athletes like pieces of meat.
Hate to be the one to break it to you, Buffaloes. But you don't have the chips to be a major player in this high-stakes game.
The University of Texas is calling the shots as conferences nationwide greedily chase the beaucoup bucks to be pocketed from football television rights.
With no shame, it seems every league lustily dreams of hooking up with the Longhorns. The Big Ten. The Pac-10. What's the next rumor? Texas to replace Jacksonville in the AFC South?
But following Texas, whose $125 million athletic budget is more than twice what CU can afford to spend on sports, anywhere in this new college landscape would be a fool's errand for the Buffs.
Cont'd ...

Entire article: Kiszla: CU should join Mountain West, not Pac-10 - The Denver Post

 

[BigJim]

"Nebraska has until 5 p.m. on Friday to tell us what they're going to do," one school official said, adding that he has heard that deadline could be extended to June 15. "The same deal for Missouri. They have to tell us they're not going to the Big Ten..."

ok Mr. commissioner, we agree to stay in the B12

 

[OSU_D/]

I think the SEC takes the two Okies and Tech, and maybe Clemson, FSU and Virgina tech.

Gator, I think you may be as SOL on the two Okies the way the Big 10 is on Texas. The reason why the Texas legislatures are forcing the Pac 10 to drop Colorado and add Baylor is so they can keep the Okie combo with them in the Pac 10.

The day University of Colorado athletic director Mike Bohn allows a bunch of loud-mouthed, money-grubbing Texans to dictate how the Buffaloes run their business is also the day he should be fired.

I like his screw the Texas attitude - I am getting one since they aren't coming with us! I understand that the MWC can pick up some of the Big 12 remnants, but I can reiterate the Big 10 should pick up CU, Nebraska, ND, GT and something east coast.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

The emergence of the Baylor situation is the best news for the Big Ten getting Texas in the last couple of weeks. The Pac 10 needs unanimous support of existing schools for an invite to go out. I'm sure the Stanford and two UC Presidents and Provosts were already holding their noses at the notion of inviting Tech, OSU and OU, now you're asking them to bring in the Baptist BYU? I have a hard time seeing Stanford, Cal, UCLA or even Washington presidents ALL voting to invite the Baylor. If Texas has a "Tech Problem" vis-a-vis the Big Ten, they've just landed a "Baylor Problem" with regards to the P10.

Now the B10 is going to take Baylor when hell freezes over, but what the situation may do is awaken enough TX legislators to the notion that if they interfere with these politically motivated package deals, Texas may end up nowhere but a severely crippled B12.

 

[Mike80]

The Texas Legislature's actions have unfortunately confirmed what I was worried about - namely, academic standards don't matter.

If Texas truly cared and wanted to get into the Big Ten for academic reasons as well as athletic they would have said so by now. Maybe their politicians would have done differently, I don't know. I doubt it. The Big Ten has a stigma attached to it apparently. Either way I give up on Texas ever being in the Big Ten - it's not going to happen.

Delaney will have whiffed on Texas (and I would assume Ntre Ame too), opened up this can of worms and failed and will have left his conference at both a competitive disadvantage AND open to ridicule for not coming through. He should be fired if this indeed comes to pass.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Delaney will have whiffed on Texas (and I would assume Ntre Ame too), opened up this can of worms and failed and will have left his conference at both a competitive disadvantage AND open to ridicule for not coming through. He should be fired if this indeed comes to pass.

I agree. I certainly think Gee is fed up and taking the Texas matter into his own hands to try and salvage any opportunity...and probably with the backing of several other Presidents. Delaney's acted like the best looking girl at the dance who sits by herself with her nose in the air expecting all the guys to come over and fawn over her. Meanwhile the lesser looking girls who actually make a little bit of an effort end up on the dance floor.

Unless it's absolutely clear that there's NO way that we could have gotten Texas without also taking Tech and/or Baylor, Delaney needs to lose his job if we don't get either Texas or Notre Dame. And if Texas goes to the Pac 10, we had better not go groveling to South Bend with some package of special treatment in order to get the domers.

 

[cincibuck]

If state legislatures can force Kentucky to schedule Louisville, Ohio State to schedule Ohio, Miami, Kent, BG, Toledo, then keeping Texas from cutting their own deal is certainly understandable.

Frankly, I'm beginning to think a swing and a miss, though embarrassing, is a good thing. From a cultural, geographical, economic point of view, Texas was a damn near impossible fit. To begin, it would have meant a playoff game, it would have dramatically lessened The Game and most certainly made something like "six straight Big 10 Championships" much rarer.

It wouldn't be long before there'd be static emanating from Austin as in this piece on the origins of Big 12:

The revenue-sharing formula didn't receive much public attention when the conference was formed. But the two most financially healthy leagues, the Big Ten and SEC, share revenue equally among its members.

In the Big 12, half the television money is shared equally. The other half is based on appearances. The idea was to encourage teams to play competitive schedules that would be attractive to television networks.

"It's not discriminatory," Beebe said. "Any institution that raises its program to a level where it gets more TV exposure will have a chance to get more revenue."

But as the conference progressed, smaller-budget schools believed the system favored the larger schools: Texas could play a weak opponent, and the game was almost assured of broadcast. Iowa State's game against a similar opponent had no chance.

Read more: Big 12 problems trace to league’s roots - KansasCity.com

In this game of high stakes poker, Texas comes out the winner. They got the Big 10 to commit openly, they got the Pac 10 to panic, they got the SEC to pay attention. They've clearly established their seat at the head of the Big 12 table. Now armed with Big 10, Pac 10 stats and offers, Snow White in Austin can chose to dictate terms to the ten dwarfs and Okie, or they can bargain with the Pac 10 and the SEC.

So, how to get face back? Start by insisting that MSU, Purdue and Michigan drop their ND games unless the Irish join a) the Big 10 or b) the Big East. Why create 3 games for them that can attract a big TV audience?

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Good points all, Cinci. I am/was a big proponent of UT to the Big Ten, but Texas arrogance and "me -first" attitude is really coming out in spades. I think they really might have been a disruptive and divisive force within the conference, even without their legislature demanding that we take along unworthy schools in bargain.

I honestly think that at least one of the Stanford/Cal/UCLA triumvirate will certainly veto Baylor and probably the OSU/OU/Tech package leaving Texas where? Either they stand up to the legislature and come to the Big Ten on their own--or at worst with A&M--or they're left in what's left of the Big 12 after the P10 takes Colorado and we take Missouri and possibly Nebraska.

 

[woofermazing]

IMO, the packaged deal is what doomed the Big 12 to begin with. The Pac-10 can have the whole lot if whoever gets Texas has to take Baylor and Tech. We might be able to absorb that and not loose revenue per school, but I don't think the Pac-10 could, especially since they would have to give up on the Denver market to do it. Maybe we should be talking Colorado/Nebraska, instead of Missouri.

 

[DaveyBoy]

the best combo of Big12 schools for the Big10 would be Nebraska and Kansas.....we get a top flight FB and a top flight BB school plus we capture more market than we would with Nebraska/Missouri

then turn east toward Rutgers and either Maryland or VaTech

then wait for ND...if they wait too long, then we go after Pitt or Syracuse

 

[OSU_D/]

Maybe we should be talking Colorado/Nebraska, instead of Missouri.

I have been a fan of this idea since the Texas thing appears to have sailed. Also, it looks like Chip Brown may a little ahead of whats really happening. I can't imagine that the Pac 10 Presidents would rush ahead into something just as the Big 10 Presidents aren't.

Joe Schad schadjoe

RT @ChipBrownOB: Pac-10 commish Larry Scott says he's been given authority to "advance" expansion process (hand out invites)

O-Zone: Pac 10 commish apparently given the go ahead on expansion...

Scott says no final decision has been made whether to expand but many different scenarios were discussed this weekend. There have been reports that the conference could add as few as two teams or as many as six if it does expand.
The conference will decide its future plans by the end of the year before negotiating a new television contract for the 2012-13 academic year.

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.co...ioner-gets-authority-to-pursue-expansion.html